Jack_Flesher Posted December 13, 2006 Share #341  Posted December 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I too would like a large format digital system as I was primarily a large format and medium format shhoter. I think your 4x5 photos is excellent but of course pretty limited by the scanner. Once scanning became common, I mostly shot 120 on my 4x5 because it rare to even scan 120 to it's maximum quality. Let alone 4x5 which would have produced upards of 400 meg files. If you'll endulge me, here is a shot I made on about a 4 inch wide piece of film, along with a 100% crop of the same. It was scaned to about a 230 meg RGB 24 bit tif file on a Polaroid Sprints Scan 120 film scanner. As convenient as 35mm fromat cameras may be, there really is nothing like working with large format. That is why I think some of the comparison between differnt brands and different lenses is kind of like spitting hairs.  http://www.goldsteinphoto.com/miami.jpg http://www.goldsteinphoto.com/miamicrop.jpg  Nice sunset gradient!  Here is a San Francisco skyline sunset shot done with the Beterlight, but not nearly as good as yours! Scan took about 2 minutes at ISO 2500. I linked it because it is not only OT, but large -- click the first image for a 2000 pixel wide view: Jack Flesher Gallery :: Local Places :: 9  An actual pixel crop can be seen here: Jack Flesher Gallery :: Local Places :: 10  Offered only for those interested. Now back to your local programming ,  Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 Hi Jack_Flesher, Take a look here Yosemite M8 trip. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
reven Posted December 13, 2006 Share #342  Posted December 13, 2006 @AlanF and Jack  Stop showing these pictures :-P Or I'm getting frustrated with my 10-16MP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted December 13, 2006 Share #343 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Feel free It might need to be summarized. Let me help you:Â If you use: Canon: your mama is ugly Leica: your mother is charming and looks very young MF: your mother left, this is too technical. Use the M8 next time. Anything else: you use what??? don't tell your mother. Â Too bad that summary takes out what, to me, made your post so funny. What I thought you were poking fun at were people's preconceptions about cameras and *that* insight seemed to be so on the money. Some people can look at any given picture and assess it more by their preconceived ideas than by what's in front of their eyes. Â The summary loses the humor for me but to each his own. Â Cheers, Â Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share #344 Â Posted December 13, 2006 When I made this post the Yosemite thread had 18,948 views, that is more than the 17,171 views of the Leica announcment thread. It just shows how much more interesting it is to see these cameras in use than to read about what is wrong with them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted December 13, 2006 Share #345  Posted December 13, 2006 When I made this post the Yosemite thread had 18,948 views, that is more than the 17,171 views of the Leica announcment thread. It just shows how much more interesting it is to see these cameras in use than to read about what is wrong with them  Oh come on Robert -- you know it was the stellar 5D and large format images that drove up the views! :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #346 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Ah great no one liked my M8 stuff , geez were is the love. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share #347 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I bought an old 28mm Elmarit-M off ebay and I was surprised with the image quality from such an old lens. This picture was taken with it late in the day. I am beginning to think that the M8 brings new life to older lenses. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Gregory Posted December 13, 2006 Share #348 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Ah great no one liked my M8 stuff , geez were is the love. LOL Guy, yes it was great to see all the photo's and a lot of other people feel the same way judging by the views to this thread. Nice to see someone using the M8 and putting it through the paces while those of us who are waiting on a list, still wait.....and wait.....and wait!!!!! Â Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share #349 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Just playing around with the antique Grayscale preset in lightroom. All shots with the Noctilux at f1. Â Â Â This shot was at 1250iso. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #350  Posted December 13, 2006 Guy, yes it was great to see all the photo's and a lot of other people feel the same way judging by the views to this thread. Nice to see someone using the M8 and putting it through the paces while those of us who are waiting on a list, still wait.....and wait.....and wait!!!!! Scott   I think you may see some this week hopefully. Lot's of dealers are expecting shipments. I sent my 28 f2 back to a dealer ( something out of whack) and he mentioned that it should get in this week to ship a exchange back , so i would assume M8's and everything else is coming. Let's hope so Christmas is soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #351  Posted December 13, 2006 Found a couple shots i missed. Both of these are withthe 21mm leica with IR filters one. See the cyan cast. hopefully they can fix this with firmware Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10895-yosemite-m8-trip/?do=findComment&comment=117097'>More sharing options...
mtomalty Posted December 13, 2006 Share #352  Posted December 13, 2006 Here it is done a bit differently. With the lighting on the shadow side an "Artist" has to pick a fine balance between the subjects color and the background not looking too odd. The web jpeg is also going a bit magenta on this color. It is not that way on my screen prior to conversion to sRGB. there is also a flare spot under jacks chin and on his shirt.  Robert  What I'm seeing on a couple of different monitors (calibrated) is a fairly significant color shift from center to edges. Looking at the gravel road just behind Jack it appears to be a 'natural' slightly warm earthtone with a hint of magenta while the road towards the edge of the frame has a very noticeable strong green tint. Is this how it appears on your monitor? Thanks.  Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #353 Â Posted December 13, 2006 You not seeing things Mark this is the cyan cast that were waiting on a firmware upgrade for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtomalty Posted December 13, 2006 Share #354  Posted December 13, 2006 You not seeing things Mark this is the cyan cast that were waiting on a firmware upgrade for  As I suspected but I was surprised at the large percentage of the frame that the 'cast' occupied in Roberts image.  I don't recall seeing any previously posted examples that were as strong but then, maybe,I saw mostly examples taken with 35 and 50mm lenses  Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share #355  Posted December 13, 2006 Robert What I'm seeing on a couple of different monitors (calibrated) is a fairly significant color shift from center to edges. Looking at the gravel road just behind Jack it appears to be a 'natural' slightly warm earthtone with a hint of magenta while the road towards the edge of the frame has a very noticeable strong green tint. Is this how it appears on your monitor? Thanks.  Mark  Mark:  It was an odd coloured gravel. Not the grey stuff I am used to but a red/brown colour. There is the cyan cast, but also some of it is related to the sun being in the upper left corner, dropping the contrast on that side of the frame. It had veiling glare which reduced the contrast but was corrected in post. I was posting it to show there was not a lot of bright flare spots across the frame. Correcting the veiling flare made the right side go darker than it should. I probably should have used a left/right grad in photoshop to correct it, rather than just increasing the contrast in the raw conversion.  I probably should not have posted that shot, as it has caused a lot of confusion. I was just trying to illustrate that my $599 old Leica lens didn't do too bad pointing into the sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycioni Posted December 13, 2006 Share #356 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Guy, Â I must have missed it. It sounds like you had two M8 with you on the Yosemite trip. I know you had a plea out for a second body - did your original M8 come back to life (I know you were trying various things to revive it). I think we were all concerned and I wondered if it had to be sent back to the homeland for a tune-up or not. Â Regards. Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2006 Share #357 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Thanks Terri . I borrowed one from a friend that was kind to let me borrow it for a little while . Than i actually went and bought a second one that was unopened and returned becuase the paperwork was off serial number was transposed wrong on his receipt and it bothered him so he returned it to Camera West and Sean knew i was looking for one and called me. Good to know your dealers folks. They can help when your in a pickle. My other should back this week i am hoping that was broken, since it was broken leica NJ sent out to Solms for a rush service on it. BTW leica NJ is probably the best service i have the pleasure to deal with on any brand that i have owned for 35 years. These guys just jump on the repairs. They have been very good to me and have done great work on my gear to get me back out there fast. Also my other dealer Tony Rose just took back a 28mm f2 that is off and is replacing that for me since i just bought it. Again these are two examples of great leica dealers out there that i recommend highly. It's great there are dealers out there that service there customers. Also I have no problem giving them a plug here and also many folks ask me were to buy and both of these guys are very high on my list and also David at Dale labs. Â That may have been a little advertsing for them and i don't normally do that but these guys deserve it. I still believe in personal service than just ordering over the internet blindly sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycioni Posted December 13, 2006 Share #358 Â Posted December 13, 2006 Guy, Â I deal with Tony Rose myself. Indeed I am waiting on a lens from him which should be in Vancouver in the next day or two. He is super! Â The whole M8 experience has been an adventure to say the least, fun though. I plan on sending my M8 back next month - I am in no rush as I have not experienced any banding, streaking, or green blobs - although I know it is there. If I had been early enough I would have bought my M8 from Tony. I decided way to late - and then happened to find one at a local dealer demo in early November and made the move. Â Cheers. Terry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share #359 Â Posted December 13, 2006 The Voitlander 15mm seems to do better up close than for distant scenics. It just doesn't resolve the fine details for a scenic. The contrast and shadow detail is much worse than the same shot I did with the 21-35mm on the DMR. The polarizer on the DMR shot maybe also cut through the distance haze better to give a more pleasing look to the sky and mountains. Â This one took a lot of doging and burning to just get what I have here now. The other one I posted was much easier. Â Â Â Here is the DMR shot for comparison. a ND grad and a polarizer was used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reven Posted December 13, 2006 Share #360 Â Posted December 13, 2006 colours look strange in the DMR shot. Really prefer the M8, even if the rock structure is to reddish. Still nicer than the ugly cyan heaven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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