Yosemite M8 trip

[Jack_Flesher]

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The same 28mm Elmarit-M Canadian shooting into the sun. These lenses were known to flare, but it doesn't seem too bad. A UV-IR filter was fitted too.

 

Full disclosure: the shirt I am wearing in that photo is a medium blue, not the lavendar shade I see on my CM monitor...

 

Jack

[Riley]

i dont know what it is about canon owners in general

in other fora its been virtually hand to hand combat untill one of us was banned

thats happened a few times (no i didnt !)

 

i needed to tech up a bit to combat the bs some deal out

i guess thats a benefit at least

[macusque]

Full disclosure: the shirt I am wearing in that photo is a medium blue, not the lavendar shade I see on my CM monitor...

 

Jack

 

What ?!

 

Robert stated it had an IR filter on, so why the lavender tint ?

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Guy

 

I think some of the questions about the 5D that seem to drive you crazy stem from the fact that Jack was shooting a 5D while the rest of you were using M8's. It seems natural to ask about a comparison of the files. After all, there are a lot more 5D owners out there and it would be a handy point of reference.

 

Regards - Seth

 

I should explain it was from NO one here at all but on another forum and I was half kidding also. There certainly are exceptions to my little rant but no one here is in that category of Canon troll. The 5d is a nice camera no doubt and does a fine job.

[Scott Gregory]

Here is another Yosemite image. I used the DMR and 21-35mm lens.

 

Rob, another nice shot. Lots of contrast on my monitor. Have you ever tried a neutral density filter on your DMR to see this type of shot as a comparison?

 

Scott

[carstenw]

It's hard to ignore stupid posts by people with a agenda. i need handcuffs sometimes and stay off forums that make me crazy. Frankly this is the best place for me beause the international flare and people with the same interest. This Canon love fest is ridculous with the 5d. The problem is this is the most that some can afford so with that in mind in must be the best camera or they will defend it as the best one because that is what they can afford to buy and damnit it must be the best one even better than there big brother the 1dsMKII because i saved 3 thousand dollars. Anyway that is another thread on some other forum that i don't want to know about. LOL

 

That's not fair, Guy. The 5D is a fantastic camera, which depending on your work may not have the right features for any given person. I think it easily qualifies in the top 5 best digital cameras short of MF today. In no particular order, I would list the 5 as:

 

M8, DMR, 1Ds2, 5D, D2x, okay, and probably D200. 6 then. I doubt that many people would argue most of those, and any of those is a great camera. There are no losers there.

 

The reasons people choose one over another of those is as known to you as it is to me or anyone else here: weather sealing, tank-like build quality, colour, size, weight, and so on. Image quality (other than colour, perhaps) is not enough of a reason for switching from one to another of those.

 

Btw, I dislike the endless arguments as much as you, and mostly avoid FM at the moment because of exactly that, but I don't have Italian blood like you, so I can keep my calm better shirozina, brainiac, and so on all mean well. Try to ignore posts that get you mad. In the long run it is much preferable.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

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I know i am staying far away there logic is wrong and i can't help them see that but anyway the 5d is in the top 6 camera's , remember i owned one. LOL shaved the mirror in about 5 minutes so i could use my leica glass but it is a very good camera and for noise the best no question. Like I said i was half kidding also on my rant don't take it personal you know my sense of humor. So what is the word on the M8 it should be back by now. it's not like you live 12000 miles away your in Berlin.

 

Now wait i have met a few German folks that are just as hot headed as us Italians . ROTFLMAO

[gurtch]

I guess I can't figure out why someone that does not like digital, or does not want an M8, continues to lurk here and make sometimes insulting comments. After all it is a Leica Digital Forum. I use a 1DSII, and will continue to do so when I receive my M8. I would not dream of hanging around, say a Nikon forum, and only post to say Leicas and Canons or Brand X "are better". Who cares? I do visit Canon forums, and try to contribute if I can, but I never knock another brand.

Just my 2 cents

Dave in NJ

[harmsr]

Guy,

 

I resent that remark, or was it "resemble" that remark. Oh Well.

 

Only half German with the other half Irish, so I'm stubburn until I get lucky.

 

Ray

[carstenw]

Guy, I can be that hot-headed too, to be honest, and maybe I have shown that on FM once or twice, but I never feel great afterwards.

 

And the answer to your un-asked question is that you can't convince anyone by yelling at them. Just leave it for others, since you don't have a Canon, nor the desire to re-run such a test any more.

 

My M8 is meant to be back this week. It could probably have been back earlier, given that it is only a couple hundred miles from here, but I hear that Leica wants to ship them all back at the same time. Sigh. I am hoping for tomorrow, just like this morning I was hoping for today.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

I went back in and deleted some posts after you said that, did not make me feel comfortable either. Anyway moving forward. Ray i married a Irish/ Greek lady. Love her to death but she drives me crazy. LOL

[robsteve]

What ?!

 

Robert stated it had an IR filter on, so why the lavender tint ?

 

Here it is done a bit differently. With the lighting on the shadow side an "Artist" has to pick a fine balance between the subjects color and the background not looking too odd. The web jpeg is also going a bit magenta on this color. It is not that way on my screen prior to conversion to sRGB. there is also a flare spot under jacks chin and on his shirt.

 

Somtimes people forget that Photographic Art is an art not a science. In otherwords, you get the color the way I like it You don't complain to Leonardo Divinci that you don't like the facial tones of the Mona Lisa do you?

 

I also noted that hte latest version of the picture was not uploading.

 

 

Here is yet another itteration of white balance.

 

The original one I posted is below. Which picture looks better?

 

[robsteve]

Here is another Yosemite image. I used the DMR and 21-35mm lens.

 

Rob, another nice shot. Lots of contrast on my monitor. Have you ever tried a neutral density filter on your DMR to see this type of shot as a comparison?

 

Scott

 

Scott:

 

I am not sure what you are asking, but if it is did I try a ND Grad, one was used in this shot.

[Jamie Roberts]

What ?!

 

Robert stated it had an IR filter on, so why the lavender tint ?

 

 

I'm guessing white balance on this particular shot. The overall shot looks a bit green to me (look at the grey truck) so that would move Jack's blue shirt somewhere else

[robsteve]

I'm guessing white balance on this particular shot. The overall shot looks a bit green to me (look at the grey truck) so that would move Jack's blue shirt somewhere else

 

Jamie:

 

The truck is actually a pearl white. You are correct, it is a white balnce thing, but what do you want correct, the shade side or the sun side. Jack is in the shade.

[reven]

First of all great pictures in here. I don't even want to talk about the comparisom of any cameras. I own a 5D, a 1DsMk2 and a M8. All are great all are fun. None is perfet. Ok that's it.

 

One totally diffrent thing.

 

@Jack I know it's a little bit off topic, but I wanted so say it anyways. Certainly you already know about it. Perhaps the name Seitz says something to a viewof you. They preseted their new Seitz 6x17 Digital, in Summer. Now I don't own it :-( , but I was able to shoot with it for a short time, when I was in switzerland to pick up my Pano Haed. The Quliaty I got from these shots were WOW. It was really unbelievable. Even the P45 looks like an old horse against the 160MPs. Ok it's not a 100% one shot thing. But 2 secons for 150Mp is quite fast.

 

 

Ok enough of that it really was off topic

[Jack_Flesher]

 

@Jack I know it's a little bit off topic, but I wanted so say it anyways. Certainly you already know about it. Perhaps the name Seitz says something to a viewof you. They preseted their new Seitz 6x17 Digital, in Summer. Now I don't own it :-( , but I was able to shoot with it for a short time, when I was in switzerland to pick up my Pano Haed. The Quliaty I got from these shots were WOW. It was really unbelievable. Even the P45 looks like an old horse against the 160MPs. Ok it's not a 100% one shot thing. But 2 secons for 150Mp is quite fast.

 

I owned a Betterlight scanning back for a while. Native capture was 6000x8000 pixels, true color. You could enhance that to 9000 (interpolated) x 12,0000 true(!) for 108MP... Most LF lenses are not good enough for that level of resolution. Anyway, the resulatant files were as good as scanned 8x10 film. Utterly amazing. So I know what you mean

 

Jack

[AlanG]

I have since scanned that file on a cheap Epson flatbed at 1600 LPI for an effective 50 MP file or so, printed it out and IMO it looks to my eye even better than the original C print! FWIW, I am still looking for the direct digital capture solution that will give me the kind of quality and image adjustment flexibility that I get from 4x5 film -- I have yet to find it

 

Cheers,

Jack

 

I too would like a large format digital system as I was primarily a large format and medium format shhoter. I think your 4x5 photos is excellent but of course pretty limited by the scanner. Once scanning became common, I mostly shot 120 on my 4x5 because it rare to even scan 120 to it's maximum quality. Let alone 4x5 which would have produced upards of 400 meg files. If you'll endulge me, here is a shot I made on about a 4 inch wide piece of film, along with a 100% crop of the same. It was scaned to about a 230 meg RGB 24 bit tif file on a Polaroid Sprints Scan 120 film scanner.

 

As convenient as 35mm fromat cameras may be, there really is nothing like working with large format. That is why I think some of the comparison between differnt brands and different lenses is kind of like spitting hairs.

 

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[Jamie Roberts]

Jamie:

 

The truck is actually a pearl white. You are correct, it is a white balnce thing, but what do you want correct, the shade side or the sun side. Jack is in the shade.

 

Rob--thanks for the reality check--a white truck, no less!

 

Anyway, as an event guy, I'm used to looking wherever the faces are so it would be "the shade" for me

 

I admit that makes for some weird WB in a lot of frames...

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[martinb]

Interesting comparison Robert! It shows how good the DMR sensor is, but also how much the small sensors are hindered in capturing minute, subtle detail. What I want is a 3x3 array of those sensors for around 100 MP of LF capture area!

 

Jack

 

We have to remember that you scanned the LF shot with an Epson flatbed at 1600 dpi. If it was scanned with a drum scanner or an Imacon at higher resolution the comparison would have looked very differently. The DMR may be good but it's not even close to LF slides.