leicanut2 Posted December 11, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Leica rep was not the rep .we normaly have this guy was higher up in the food chain I don't remmember his name. No hard feelings I'm just in a bad mood. Jan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gentleman Villain Posted December 11, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 11, 2009 Off topic a bit - but not everybody is sold on the concept of shooting tethered. Shooting tethered diverts attention from the set and shifts it towards a monitor. This may work fine for non-human subjects, but it can really destroy the rapport between a photographer and a human subject. Take a look at many of the behind the scenes videos from photo shoots that are available on Youtube and people might start to notice a pattern. In many videos, there may be a gorgeous model with beautiful styling and wardrobe standing on a set..meanwhile, all of the nerds in the studio are crowded around a monitor ignoring her as if she doesn't exist. Worse yet, it can have the effect of turning models into the equivalent of human coat-hangers. (for the autistic people reading, I don't really mean that models turn into actual coat-hangers, it's just an expression) I read an interview awhile ago where Douglas Kirkland described a similar attitude towards monitors and attempted to keep them away from the set during shoots. Not sure if that's true or not..but that's what I read and it matches my personal philosophy and approach. My only reason for adding these observations is to verify that there is no one-size-fits all opinion in regards to shooting tethered. It might be important to a majority of photographers, but it certainly isn't important to everyone. Actually, some of us despise it and for good reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted December 11, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 11, 2009 Off topic a bit - but not everybody is sold on the concept of shooting tethered. ... Actually, some of us despise it and for good reason. Shooting tethered is very far from the top of my list of priorities. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted December 11, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 11, 2009 Shooting tethered is very far from the top of my list of priorities. Shooting tethered is completely irrelevant to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 12, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 12, 2009 We have remember shooting tethered is part of the system regardless if you use it or not it has to be there for the market and it has to work effectively. We have to stop thinking about your individual needs when OEM's are building new boxes it has to fit the market wide Pro shooter. This goes for all camera design even like Canon or Nikon with a million menu items you personally may never need half of them but the guy shooting sports or something else may use a completely different set of menu items. On the topic of tethered forget the damn model it is not always about them and how they look. It has everything to do with having your lighting set the way you want and making those corrections can rarely be done on a LCD screen. Having not only a digital tech on hand but stylist that see certain problems like labels , hair, makeup come up that cause problems. Even if it is at the start of a shoot to get everything they way you want or need than pull the damn cord if you want or it's a swarm of be's around the computer. I do this all the time after I get setup and everything is perfect on set. But I will tell you this shooting this S2 review along with my P40 Phase system which was tethered shooting. The P40 was working perfectly doing tethered work and shooting a 150 lens close up for detail in the models eye we can check focus and exposure to get everything dead on sharp. Now the S2 part we did NOT tether and we had to guess at the sharpness of the files and exposure where off and we could not see it until downloading a card and waiting to see what was going on, in the meantime everyone standing around with hands in there pockets. Now we got it all straightened out and we where using meters and the whole gamut of tools to nail everything down perfectly but shit happens and tethered can save your bacon. It is needed and if a system does not have it than it is a limited system and already people are giving the S2 a hard time because tethering right now is slow and buffer is 6 frames. Try shooting fashion with those limits or a wedding. Leica has a little work left to do and they know that you can't put out a system to the Pro market handicapped coming out of the gate. This is MF reality folks and it is not about individual needs what happens if you need it down the road and you don't have it. Now Leica's tethered program is in beta so i don't want people to be mislead that this is final going out the door and they are working it but everyone has to have realistic expectations on what market this camera will serve. It's very good and I will be the first to tell you that but it's new and it needs to age as well. Here is a shot of me from a P65+ shot in Bisbee holding the S2 and Phase One P40+. Yes folks you don't always need a tripod. LOL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/106041-s2-hands-on-w-magnum-photog-costa-manos/?do=findComment&comment=1148532'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 12, 2009 Share #26 Posted December 12, 2009 BTW that is not a S2 strap on the camera but a modified R strap. I need something Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted December 13, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is a shot of me from a P65+ shot in Bisbee holding the S2 and Phase One P40+. That's awesome! BTW that is not a S2 strap on the camera but a modified R strap. I need something the funny thing is... (so far) I've rolled my eyes at most of the criticisms of the S2. The first piece of good constructive criticism that I've read about the S2 is in regards to the strap. It would be nice to have a good handstrap with a camera of that size. It's such a small detail, so it's funny to think about it. But yeah, I'd like to see what can happen with the S2 in terms of a good handstrap or something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 13, 2009 Share #28 Posted December 13, 2009 I'll get to this in the review but the bottom of the grip is fat so with smaller hands it's a little hard to hold and the thumb indent I wish was a touch deeper but a strap would take a lot of pressure off the fingers and place more weight to the back of your hand. Best hand strap ever made IMHO was the DMR. That cam i could hold for days. I actually use a Hassy H strap on my Phase body. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 13, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 13, 2009 Here is a little camera porn for ya. LOL Hey - the "White Dove of the Desert!" I'm glad to see the scaffolding is finally down - I've been shooting there on and off for 6 years and every time the front of the mission was hidden by pipes and screening. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/106041-s2-hands-on-w-magnum-photog-costa-manos/?do=findComment&comment=1149919'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 14, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 14, 2009 Yes it looked pretty nice without it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted December 14, 2009 Share #31 Posted December 14, 2009 I'll get to this in the review but the bottom of the grip is fat so with smaller hands it's a little hard to hold and the thumb indent I wish was a touch deeper but a strap would take a lot of pressure off the fingers and place more weight to the back of your hand. Best hand strap ever made IMHO was the DMR. That cam i could hold for days. I actually use a Hassy H strap on my Phase body. Thanks, I'd be interested in any suggestions about a good handstrap and look forward to reading your review. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted December 15, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) I read an interview awhile ago where Douglas Kirkland described a similar attitude towards monitors and attempted to keep them away from the set during shoots. Sorry to quote myself, but found the interview for anyone interested: [url=]http://www.digitalphotopro.com/profiles/douglas-kirkland-from-8-10-to-digital-and-back.html [/url] We all understand the immediate rewards of shooting tethered. It's a great feature in the technical sense, but it can have drawbacks if the presence of a monitor negatively alters the atmosphere of a photo shoot. There's no right or wrong,, just different ways of working depending on the photographer. Edited December 15, 2009 by Gentleman Villain url Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 15, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 15, 2009 I totally agree and have pulled that cord out more than once. It can be a serious distraction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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