barjohn Posted November 24, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) By now many reviewers have version 1.0 of the firmware yet there are almost no raw or jpg images available for download to be examined for IQ. Especially images with a high range of ISO. Ricoh at version 0.7 has far more GXR images floating around. I realize that neither camera has a profile in LR or C1 yet but since both use DNG as their raw formats this should not be a show stopper. If someone would do a daylight shot of a 24 block color chart we could create a profile that is usable for now using Adobe's profile creator or one of the other profile creation tools available. Even Leica has failed to post any images for download (the last time I looked) whereas RIcoh has already done so. Since the major reason for buying this camera with its inherent slow AF and poor LCD is image IQ one would expect to see this feature prominently displayed on the Internet by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 24, 2009 Posted November 24, 2009 Hi barjohn, Take a look here Why Are There So Few X1 Images Available To Download?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Douglasco Posted November 24, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 24, 2009 It does seem a bit strange John. Sigma put a lot of images on its website prior to the launch of the DP1 and 2. As the camera will be available in January you would have expected a lot of images taken by the X1 to be around by now, maybe due to the high amount of pre orders Leica do not want to show too many photographs from the camera incase they cannot keep up with initial demand when the camera finally lunches. After putting down a deposit on one myself, I hope its nothing to do with the quality of the images it will produce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 24, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 24, 2009 It does seem a bit strange John. Sigma put a lot of images on its website prior to the launch of the DP1 and 2. As the camera will be available in January you would have expected a lot of images taken by the X1 to be around by now, maybe due to the high amount of pre orders Leica do not want to show too many photographs from the camera incase they cannot keep up with initial demand when the camera finally lunches. After putting down a deposit on one myself, I hope its nothing to do with the quality of the images it will produce. Sounds a bit childish to me. How many example images from other Leica cameras do you find on Leica's website? But conspiracy theories are of course always fun. Why don't you retract the pre-order and make someone else happy who is behind you in the queue? Once enough pictures are online you can eventually decide if you really want the X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiOnara Posted November 24, 2009 Share #4 Posted November 24, 2009 I too find it annoying. Rather than having people cruise the net for low res, shoddy snapshots, surly you would want to hand the camera to a decent photographer, have them take some amazing shots and put of out on their website for download full res so future buyers can check out the quality of the shots and whats possible with the camera. Creating a high demand is a must for any manufacturer. Look at the marketing of the Nintendo DS Lite, always sold out in Japan stores and in turn, created a frenzy and sold bucket loads of units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglasco Posted November 24, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 24, 2009 Nhabedi You need to get real any company hoping to sell a product has to advertise its products I sell tyres and I put them on display for all to see, if you sell a camera I would think it is common sense to show good quality photogaphs taken by that camera. regarding conspiracy theories and being childish that is your stupid interpretation of what I have put Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted November 24, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 24, 2009 {snipped}Since the major reason for buying this camera with its inherent slow AF and poor LCD is image IQ one would expect to see this feature prominently displayed on the Internet by now. Since the major reason to buy the camera is IQ, it's completely and totally reasonable for Leica to embargo images (especially JPEGs) until they're delivering the IQ properly through firmware and RAW programs. After all, people looking at JPEGs have thought the S2 images are "off" too While I'd like to see these earlier (and I'm sure Leica would too), I think in this case it's worthwhile to wait; the S2 (unlike a lot of other cameras) will live or die by perceived IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 24, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm always skeptical of any image posted on the company website. Of course they will be best case scenario photos... and those don't really tell you much about general usage. More photos will appear once the camera is available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup de foudre Posted November 24, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 24, 2009 I realize that neither camera has a profile in LR or C1 yet but since both use DNG as their raw formats this should not be a show stopper. If someone would do a daylight shot of a 24 block color chart we could create a profile that is usable for now using Adobe's profile creator or one of the other profile creation tools available. i disagree with the lack of profile not being a big issue -- it's much more than just a matter of colour that's involved... i agree with what Jamie wrote regarding the matter. after having a brief window to see the RAW files (with no proper conversion available) from the GXR vs. the JPEGs, i am really loathe to put the JPEGs up. amongst other things, i feel it would be irresponsible. why put up images that could possibly disappoint when they do not show the true capabilities of the lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhusick Posted November 25, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 25, 2009 Someone, anyone, please post at least one RAW X1 file for us to play with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share #10 Posted November 26, 2009 i disagree with the lack of profile not being a big issue -- it's much more than just a matter of colour that's involved... i agree with what Jamie wrote regarding the matter. after having a brief window to see the RAW files (with no proper conversion available) from the GXR vs. the JPEGs, i am really loathe to put the JPEGs up. amongst other things, i feel it would be irresponsible. why put up images that could possibly disappoint when they do not show the true capabilities of the lens? I find your statement confusing. What does the color profile have to do with showing the capabilities of the lens? Is it that the JPGs are horrible or the RAW conversions? If the raw conversions are horrible is it due to color rendition in comparison to the JPGs? The ones I have downloaded from the one sight that has posted both JPGs and DNGs did not look bad to me. In fact I really liked the color I saw. I realize that may have been at least on firmware revision back but I would expect it to improve not get worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 27, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 27, 2009 Barjohn, did you think the world was going to end on 1/1/2000 by any chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted November 27, 2009 Barjohn, did you think the world was going to end on 1/1/2000 by any chance? No. What makes you think that I would think that? If you are talking about Y2K, I never bought into that nonsense. It's like global warming. Self serving hype for the people peddling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted November 27, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 27, 2009 By now many reviewers have version 1.0 of the firmware yet there are almost no raw or jpg images available for download to be examined for IQ. Especially images with a high range of ISO. Ricoh at version 0.7 has far more GXR images floating around. I realize that neither camera has a profile in LR or C1 yet but since both use DNG as their raw formats this should not be a show stopper. If someone would do a daylight shot of a 24 block color chart we could create a profile that is usable for now using Adobe's profile creator or one of the other profile creation tools available. Even Leica has failed to post any images for download (the last time I looked) whereas RIcoh has already done so. Since the major reason for buying this camera with its inherent slow AF and poor LCD is image IQ one would expect to see this feature prominently displayed on the Internet by now. Is it not clear that the camera has probably not yet been fully developed prior to global release? The images seen so far are from trusted field testers using far from the finished product. I can understand the anxiety while waiting, but, hopefully we shall eventually see a polished and high performing product! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted November 28, 2009 Generally, when manufacturers release a camera to reviewers the camera has either final version firmware or one release from final version. Typically version 1.0 is the final release version unless major bugs are discovered that delay the final version's release. Since Sean received a version 1.0 upgrade and the camera was released to him for review it is and was reasonable to assume this was near production or production version. Because Sean has found flaws in the firmware that LUF users would find objectionable there may be an updated version that becomes the production release. However, there is no guarantee of that and Leica may feel the flaws identified would not effect the majority of their target market and go ahead and release the camera as is. No software is ever done and Leica may feel it is good enough to not risk any further delays in getting it to market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhusick Posted November 28, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 28, 2009 Someone, anyone, please post at least one RAW X1 file for us to play with. please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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