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Hopefully an easy query for the experts on this forum: i've just bought a Summilux 50 over the internet, advertised as ASPH but upon receiving the item i noticed that the ASPH engraving was missing from the front design.

 

Is spotting the difference between the 2 models as easy as ASPH on the front design = aspherical, nothing = pre-ASPH?

 

I'd like to be sure before contacting the seller and asking for explanation/return in case Leica released/produced an ASPH version without the ASPH writing on the front design.

 

Are there any other signs/noticeable differences i should check in order to establish whether it's an ASPH or a pre-ASPH?

 

Cheers

 

David

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It all makes sense

.. I wouldn't even dream to be so fussy about whether it's a pre-ASPH or an ASPH if it wasn't for the ASPH (premium) price when compared to the older model.

 

They're both outstanding optics and both guarantee a technical (and emotional) level way beyond my amateur photographer skills.

 

I will have the last response on thursday when i go to Richard Caplan's .

 

cheers

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Hopefully an easy query for the experts on this forum: i've just bought a Summilux 50 over the internet, advertised as ASPH but upon receiving the item i noticed that the ASPH engraving was missing from the front design.

 

Is spotting the difference between the 2 models as easy as ASPH on the front design = aspherical, nothing = pre-ASPH?

 

I'd like to be sure before contacting the seller and asking for explanation/return in case Leica released/produced an ASPH version without the ASPH writing on the front design.

 

Are there any other signs/noticeable differences i should check in order to establish whether it's an ASPH or a pre-ASPH?

 

Cheers

 

David

 

As far as I remember, the first Summilux 50/1/4 was issued in 1959. It was modified in 1962 starting with # 1844....... and remained more or less unchanged until superseded by the 50/1.4 asph.

I have the second version of the 50/1/4 and like it in spite of a rather soft imaging at foll aperture. The asph. is superior in nearly all aspects except if you want an old look.

The 50/1.4 wit numbers prior to #1844.... are softer etc. than the second version and are, in my personal opinion, not as desirable for picture taking. Collectors may have a different opinion, especially with the chrome versions.

I suggest you check the serial number before making a decision. This is quite apart from the fact that if you were offered an asph. version, that is what you should have received.

Teddy

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As far as I remember, the first Summilux 50/1/4 was issued in 1959. It was modified in 1962 starting with # 1844....... and remained more or less unchanged until superseded by the 50/1.4 asph.

I have the second version of the 50/1/4 and like it in spite of a rather soft imaging at foll aperture. The asph. is superior in nearly all aspects except if you want an old look.

The 50/1.4 wit numbers prior to #1844.... are softer etc. than the second version and are, in my personal opinion, not as desirable for picture taking. Collectors may have a different opinion, especially with the chrome versions.

I suggest you check the serial number before making a decision. This is quite apart from the fact that if you were offered an asph. version, that is what you should have received.

Teddy

 

Hi,

 

Is the #1844xxx number an accurate way to demarcate what is V1 or V2? Thanks.

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Hi,

 

Is the #1844xxx number an accurate way to demarcate what is V1 or V2? Thanks.

Absolutely, and the "divide" is right on the round number... 1.844.001 is a V2 Summilux 50; screw mount version are all of the V1, apart (seems) FOUR items made to special order, and the Leica "special screwmount edition" of some years ago (maybe these were aspherical,,, I don't remember)

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Absolutely, and the "divide" is right on the round number... 1.844.001 is a V2 Summilux 50; screw mount version are all of the V1, apart (seems) FOUR items made to special order, and the Leica "special screwmount edition" of some years ago (maybe these were aspherical,,, I don't remember)

 

Hi,

 

Appreciate the response. I am just a little confused as I have seen supposedly V1 Summilux 50mm (i.e. little shy of the 1.844.001 number) in bayonet mount though.... Could some of these have been "franken lenses" - i.e. some unethical sellers mixed and matched lens parts and passed them off as what they are not?

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This is a screw mount s/n 1 641 6xx made in 1958 1st version

 

 

this is a M mount s/n 1 702 0xx made in 1959 also 1st version

 

 

here are 2 black 2nd version s/n 2 346 8xx made in 1969 and 2 980 8xx made in 1979 with no difference in aspect in between.

 

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And finally there was the 1990-something to 2002 last mount version, which took 46mm filters and had a pull-out hood. I had it in chrome.

 

The old man from the Spherical Age

 

And I have one, its lovely!

 

Gerry

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Thanks for this very useful thread.

 

Any have or know where I can buy a 50mm lux pre asph version II? I am not sure what the average price is either so that would also help. feel free to contact me or pm me if you have one for sell, still learning my way around this forum. Cheers.

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Thanks for this very useful thread.

 

Any have or know where I can buy a 50mm lux pre asph version II? I am not sure what the average price is either so that would also help. feel free to contact me or pm me if you have one for sell, still learning my way around this forum. Cheers.

 

Not far from N.Y.C. this dealer does have some Summilux 50 for sale : Leica M Mount Lenses Used - Leica -

 

They are not so easy to find, it seems... and a used Summilux Asph almost impossible.

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...this is a M mount s/n 1 702 0xx made in 1959 also 1st version.

 

 

This lens looks just like my recent acquisition: #1 897 XXX. Date lookup puts this at 1961.

 

Mine has a tiny '13' engraved next to the feet/M marking. I gather this means the lens is actually 51.3 mm. Closest engraved distance is 1m / 3'4"; the actual barrel turns a few degrees beyond this. I've had my Summilux for just four days.

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