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On page 164, the M240 manual states : " The available compression for DNG format .... retains all of the post-editing performed on the image data ..... " I don't understand this ............ I thought RAW meant direct recording of the sensor readout without alteration. Does the M 240 process/edit the DNG files in some way before writing to the card ? Does anyone know what is done in-camera to the DNG files ? Hoping someone can enlighten me please .... Many Thanks.

Hello fellow M8 users, I am very happy to announce that I finished the tool mentioned in the thread M8 goes uncompressed DNG! It creates 16bit (acually 14bit in a 16bit container) DNG files from the M8 RAW files with slightly more pixels and much more discrete values compared to the 8bit standard DNG. I even set up a website with download, comment function, contact form and whatnot... even though I am really not familiar with web programming so please be lenient if it is not as polished as this site here for example. The command-line tool is available for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux, so I am now looking forward to getting some input after you tested it on your own files. You can find more information on m8raw2dng.de. I am trying to make the program as good as possible (because I am using it myself on a daily basis). To achieve this I thought it clever to share it with the community even though I had to create a completely new software from scratch in C++ even though I already have a running version in Matlab with more functionality. But I think that'll change as I focus now on the C++ version. I invite you to share this information with other M8 users on other forums, flickr groups, wherever you like. Have fun and good results, Arvid

hi, i hope Im in the right place for this question. say i have a Leica M Monochrom DNG raw file, then i convert it to a TIF file using photoshop. will there be any difference between the original DNG and the converted TIF (besides file size) ?? since there is no demosaicing, i cant see any difference. is that true ? thanks in advance, koferk.

Hallo zusammen, wenn ich von meiner D-Lux 4 eine RAW Datei in Lightroom "als DNG" importiere, dort bearbeite und dann als DNG exportiere um sie z. B. einem Kollegen weiter zu geben, habe ich im Finder kein Vorschaubild mehr und Vorschau kann die Datei auch nicht mehr öffnen. Gibt es hier für eine Erklärung/ Lösung? Ach so, bei anderen Kameras ist das nicht so. Danke und Gruß Roman

Though being very happy with my X2, I do miss the possibility to make DNG-only shots! Do you think a firmware update could change that - and in case - could one hope for that to come? I am new to Leica.

Bin seit letztem Freitag glücklicher Besitzer einer Monochrom und soweit recht begeistert von der Qualität der Bilder. Mir ist jedoch aufgefallen, dass bei Einstellung von DNGs in den Settings die Kamera keinerlei Objektivdaten in die Metadaten schreibt. Also nicht etwa Summilux X, Noctilux etc., sondern allenfalls eine Angabe der Brennweite erfolgt. Außerdem werden in Lightroom im Importdialog keine Previews angezeigt, sondern lediglich die DNG-Logos. Das passiert sowohl bei Verbindung über USB als auch bei direktem Auslesen von der SD-Karte. Bei den gleichen Kameraeinstellungen lassen sich die beiden Probleme mit der M9-P nicht nachstellen. Habt Ihr auch dieses Problem?

One of the great disappointments of the M9, and the most frustrating for me, has been the lack of a proper embedded preview in the DNG. I do not shoot DNG+JPG, partially because I think the JPGs coming out of the M9 are useless, and generally do not do a good job of predicting what the DNG will look like. It makes an iPad workflow a pain in the neck! I do not want to go through this again with the new M. Has anyone done any research into whether the new M DNG files have embedded previews? Is this a standard for DNG that Leica can't change, or are iPads not capable of natively processing DNGs? Whose fault is it?

I took delivery of a Monochrom today, and shot a number of images, went to import them into Lightroom 4 and the DNG files do not have a preview. I re formated the memory card and tried a few cards, with the same result. Also tried LR4 on another laptop, same thing. There is also no preview when just opening the cards on the the desk top. I'm using a MacBook Pro and all software is up to date. Once the files are imported into LR, the image can be seen. I have an M9 and have no problem, also no problem when I had an M8. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks

Hi everyone, I just got my new M (and it's AMAZING) and I have a question: is there any downside to using the compressed DNG? The instructions say that the compression is loss-less which sounds good but I'm curious if there are any negatives of using it? Are there any downsides? -Steve

Much criticized Ken Rockwell has constantly written that he loves most everything about the M9 except its DNG color. Even though he prefers to shoot in JPG, he says that he would be quite willing to shoot with the M9's DNG if he could thereby find a PP remedy for the its allegedly poor rendering of colors. On 1/7/11, he wrote that after seeing "some great images from Leica's M9 as processed through Aperture 3," he downloaded it's latest version for trial. But that version, he claims, can read only M9 DNGs shot prior to his installed M9 firmware 1.138: "This compatibility baloney always haunts raw shooters, which is just one of innumerable reasons I prefer JPG. It's just that I'd love to figure out how to get a good picture out of the M9.As we say in real estate when trying to sell an awful house, the M9 'has great potential.' " Anyone's observations, comments, lines of thought?

Greetings all, I'm tempted to upgrade from my fun but noisy little D-Lux 3 to either the LX-5 or the D-Lux 5. I know that Panasonic uses a proprietary RAW format, and that some few here have written that the D-Lux 5 saves its RAW files in DNG. If that is true, it might sway me to the D-Lux 5. But where did that knowledge come from? I can find it nowhere in the Leica literature. I do find that the X1 uses DNG, but not the D-Lux 5. Can someone enlighten me? Brent

Hallo, ich habe bzgl. der nachstehenden Frage keine Antwort im Forum gefunden bzgl. in der Bedienungsanleitung keinen Hinweis: Kann man nur DNG speichern - so wie bei anderen Kameras i.d.Regel üblich ? Oder kann man bei Lightroom den Import auf DNG-Dateien beschränken ? Nachträglich die Dateien zu löschen ist nicht so lustig. Ich benötige die JPG-Dateien nicht und möchte Platz sparen. Weiß jemand einen Rat ? Vielen Dank ! Grüße Georg

Hello! I would much appreciate advice to all or any individual part of my set of questions: I intend to bring my in-Lightroom 2.6 developed X1 dngs to a printing lab. How to export them (as jpegs) without unintentionally worsening the best possible printing quality at the stage of saving? I assume that I have to save them as jpegs. (Is this not the best option, or would I benefit from using another format?) X1 provides jpegs as normal, fine and superfine. Why is this no longer a specified option/ relevant division in Lightroom, in where dngs are being exported as jpegs? That is, why cannot I export dngs as superfine jpegs, given that superfine is more detailed than a regular one? I have further trouble understanding what to enter under 'Resize to Fit' (Width & Height). Should the print size determine what values I had best to enter? If print size matters, I aim to take cm 15* 25,5, and 20* 30 prints. It seems to be possible to specify more pixels to an image than what the camera has initially recorded. What is the implication for the printing quality if I tell Lightroom to include more pixels than what the camera's physical limit is. Does Lightroom now invent new pixels in between the original ones, which would presumably make the print quality suffer? Is this possibility to invent new pixels retroactively in Lightroom something that I could use with considerably cropped images, to make them look smooth in prints? Otherwise, is it not best to set no less and no more pixels than what the camera manual informs as the actual number with reference to dng (4288*2862)? If the maximum pixel number ---up to the limit that the camera has originally produced--- is the best option, is it recommended that I export the dngs as jpegs according to the maximum pixel number for JPEG in X1 (4272*2856), or will the jpeg pixels actually reach the number of a dng when burnt not by the camera but by a computer from a dng source information? Third, which resolution value should I enter in order to ensure the best printing quality. I think to know that there is a limit above which an eye cannot discern details, but is there a downside to entering a little greater value than what is needed or possible, rather than entering a bit lesser value that is possible, if the file size is ignored? Many thanks for any replies in advance!

Hallo Zusammen, ich habe ein DNG in LR3 importiert, einige Anpassungen gemacht, z.B. in SW gewandelt usw., und würde es nun gern wieder in DNG exportieren. Der Export funktioniert, leider werden aber die Änderungen nicht mit exportiert, es wird immer nur das Original Bild exportiert. Wird das Bild als Jpg oder TIFF exportiert, dann werden die Änderungen übernommen. Was mache ich falsch? Danke für Eure Hilfe. Gruss, Marco

Given both of these are DNG format, I am just wondering if there is any need to convert to the Lightroom DNG format on import or can I leave in the Leica format? Which is better for processing in Lightroom?

Hi, I'm experiencing a problem with shooting DNG+JPG fine in the M9. I have done so successfully previously but the last couple of shots I did, the camera didn't save 2 files - one DNG and the second JPG. Instead it saved 2 JPGs. Has anyone experienced this problem? any suggestions? I thought I would reset my settings but that doesn't mean it won't happen again - if at all it will help. Thanks -Danny

Guten Tag, seit LR 2.6 stürzt LR sehr oft bei einigen DNG-Datein aus der Leica M9 ab, wenn ich im Entwicklungsbereiche das Bild anzeigen will oder wenn ich in ein Foto reinzoomen will. Bei LR 2.5 passierte das nie. Auch in Camera RAW in Photoshop passiert das nicht. Hatte jemand schon einen ähnlichen Fehler oder hat sogar eine Lösung dafür? Viele Grüße Uwe

I've set up my iMac with Lightroom and a mirrored external hard drive, and am good to go. I imported (with a few hiccups) my iPhoto library, and am ready to import photos from the SDHC card in my D-lux 4 for the first time. All the tutorials I've looked at so far talk about importing RAW files, and about importing jpeg files, but seem to use slightly different settings for the two different formats. How can I best import both the jpegs and the RAW files from my Leica? Is there a particular setting people use? Thanks in advance, J.

Hi there, I'm looking into picking up a M9 or M-E (and possibly an M 240, depending on cash flow). Right now I'm trying to determine if higher ISO shots from the M9 will be usable for me, and I haven't found any sample DNG's on the web anywhere at ISO 800+. I've read that shooting at ISO 640 and pushing in post is probably a better method for achieving quality low light images, so if anyone has an underexposed ISO 640 image that I could push that would be helpful as well. Does anyone have a few they could upload/share, or perhaps even point me to some existing samples with working links? Thanks.

I have taken a few pictures in DNG using CV15. There are cyan corners so I used CF to fix them, resulting in XXXX_CF.DNG files. They look fine after the Fix. When I try to open these _CF.DNG files in C1 for further processing, I got a "An operation was attempted on something that is not a socket" error message. C1 closes and there is the usual box asking me to send an error report to Uncle Bill. It did not happen when I was processing regular .DNG files but C1 crashed several times and each time I was trying to work on a _CF.DNG file. Has anyone experience something like this? I don't even know if this is pure co-incidence or if there is actually something between C1 and CF. I am running XP home SP3, C1 v.4.8.1, CF 1.1.0.0 with the C1 v4 compatibility enabled. PhaseOne support told me to run a cleaning utility, repair Microsoft dotnet 2.0, uninstall and reinstall C1. Which I all did but the same thing is coming back right after all that. Any help is much appreciated.

Hallo, ich nutze zur Bildbearbeitung C1 V4.8 und würde auf meinem NEC 26" Monitor die Bilder auch gern im DNG-Format als Dia-Show ansehen. Diese Funtion existiert aber wohl nicht, oder? Gibt es hierfür gute Programme, die die Qualität von C1 haben?

Ich ärgere mich darüber, dass das RAW - Format eine effektive Umsetzung in das dng-Format nicht zulässt. Auf der Internetseite www.petitiononline.com/dng01/petition.html sollte jeder der genauso denkt, mit unterzeichnen. Erreicht werden muss, dass die Hersteller endlich wegkommen vom "eigenen Süppchen" und wir Anwender ein zukunftsicheres Format erhalten. Hasselblad, Leica, Samsung und Ricoh unterstützen bereits das dng - Format - warum nicht Panasonic, Canon ect.

Hi there, I've been looking for days and days now in google for RAW-samples of the M8. Downsized JPEGs were all I could find. So I finally found this forum and I was wondering if some people would like to send me a few DNG files. If it is possible, I'd like to have all kinds of scenes, low-ISO, high-ISO etc. I've tried the camera in a store a few weeks ago, but was unable to take photographs with it. I'd like to have some closer examination before dropping such a large amount of money. Thanks in advance!

Not sure whether to post here or M8 Forum, or both. Administrator advice? As we all know, the M8 RAW/DNG files are saved in 8-bit form using an algorithm. When opening an M8 file in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR), the files are default saved as 8-bit. Converting M8 files in Capture One (C1), they can be saved as full 16-bit TIFF. Is it possible to change the ACR default to save files in 16-bit?

I use my M9 for documentation of the urban environment. Often, there is a detail (such as a poster or a sign) that I want to be able to read, some of the time it is not in the center of the image but in a corner or at the edge. Hence the need for the best resolution lenses with little falloff in the outer zones, hence the Leica, especially something like the 18mm or 21mm Super Elmar. Can I get away with JPEG rather than DNG? In other words: Do I lose much or any resolution, given the limits of the M9 sensor, if I only have JPEGs. My concern is longer term--say fifty years from now and I get curious about a sign in a window. (My inspiration is the work of Charles Marville in Paris, ~1865, but his work is with 30x40cm plates and on a tripod.)