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Hi I've been procrastinating for a very long time over getting something to work with my M9P for macro work - specifically taking shots of antique/vintage fountain pens I've restored for sale or show. Technically I should be looking at a whole different camera (or digital Visoflex if I had a later M camera) but it would be great to get something working with the outfit I currently have. To start with I have a Visoflex III and I have my M9P and a few lenses that suffice to say don't work well for close up. I'd like to keep this simple and not break the back and I've figure out I'm probably looking at a v2 Elmar-V 65mm f3.5 which is a relatively 'meh' lens specifically built for the Visoflex and won't work directly on the M9 but apparently but does the job. The Macro Elmar-M 90mm f4 has far too many zeros in the price even for a used one and it is indeed a nice lens. Here is where I am: 1. Elmar-V 65/3.5 + 16464 universal focusing mount (OTZFO) + 16471 (OTPRO) ring extension 2. Tele-Elmar-M 135/4 + 16464 universal focusing mount (OTZFO) + 16471 (OTPRO) ring extension Option 1 gives me infinity to 330mm (13") or 330mm - 270mm focusing distance with EF= 2x or 3.4x (apparently) Option 2 gives me infinity to 980mm (38.5") or 980mm - 680mm focusing distance with EF = 1.4x or 2x (apparently) I'm going to say the despite the Tele-Elmar being a significantly more useful lens outside macro work and with a significantly better optical formula its probably going to be a pain to use for my application use case. I could look at getting the bellows adapter for the 135/4 but suspect this is just going to get a little unwieldy and out of hand. Thoughts/experiences?