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    SrMi got a reaction from elmars in Highlight Recovery   
    When you say "good highlight recovery", it often means that your raw converter applied positive brightness correction, and moving "exposure" slider in the raw converter to the left, you force it to display what was initially hidden. (Iliah Borg)
    "Highlight recovery" isn't a sensor characteristic. It's something you hope to squeeze out of the image when you have missed your exposure. If you expose properly (eg. Exposure To The Right) your highlights are properly exposed and "highlight recover" is moot. Then, how much you can "recover" from the shadows is ultimately what matters. (Bill Claff)
    Adobe considers highlights recovery when you clip at least one channel (link). I am looking at Adobe's definition.
    I have observed the highlight recovery of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 using the same lens and subject (in live-view with multi-field metering). RawDigger was used to determine the clipping, and Lightroom was used to assess highlight recovery. M10-R and M11 have similar highlight recovery. M10-P degrades quicker from fully recoverable with color loss to useless.
    ISO 200
    M10-P
    no clipping: 1/750
    clipping starts at: 1/500
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/250
    M10-R
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
    M11
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
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    SrMi got a reaction from Hanno in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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    SrMi got a reaction from FrankX in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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    SrMi got a reaction from Edax in M11 FIRMWARE UPDATE WISH LIST   
    Please add back Perspective Control.
    Please add 1h max for Camera Standby.
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    SrMi reacted to Stef63 in Confusing EVF display implementation   
    Top = focus aid/magnification for use with R lenses that do not transfer manual focus ring changes to the M and by consequence do not activate the magnification in LV automatically 
    Clickwheel : Exposure compensation
     Fn : would have preferred bringing up the non coded lens profile menu as half of my lenses are not coded, but it is now a LV on/off
    And good suggestion about activating the LV through the Menu but not ideal.  I had not thought about that.  

    I try to imagine a meeting at Leica where they discuss user experience and user interface.  Must be interesting discussions on how to implement functionalities and try not to end up with to much unwanted edge cases.
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    SrMi got a reaction from matted in Why I will not be getting a M11...   
    I misunderstood you. I thought you were attributing an increased delay to the new shutter mechanism. However, since delays are similar between the traditional shutter in M10R and the new shutter in M11, that assumption seems incorrect.
    The M9 has a shutter lag, and it has been measured. However, the shutter lag of most cameras, including M9 and M11, is so small that it has virtually no impact considering the typical reaction time of an athlete :). No negative impact by the new shutter mechanism is observable.
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    SrMi got a reaction from Daedalus2000 in The Leica M11 images thread   
    I see it too there, but not on my M11 images. I assume there is an issue with WB or post processing.
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    SrMi got a reaction from matted in Why I will not be getting a M11...   
    All mirrorless cameras do it that way, why do you consider it silly? 
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    SrMi reacted to Artin in Why I will not be getting a M11...   
    I will share my experience with all of you what I think it is the right direction on almost all fronts, 
    As far as the day to day operation of the Camera, not much has changed from the M9.. it is as it has always been a rangefinder at par with the M10R
    Off the sensor metering is no different then of the shutter metering, only more accurate.
    the camera is much faster in turning on and operation then all digital M cameras 
    The battery life is better then all digital M cameras before 
    much less clutter in the back then all digital ms before 
    with 60 MPX of resolution the buffer is as good as the M10R and much better then all the predecessors 
    the dynamic range is higher then all before 
    The ISO performance is better then all before 
    the menu is simpler then all before 
    the LCD is better resolution then all before 
    live view black out is much less then all before 
    Black body is the lightest of all digital M cameras 
    shutter sound is much better then most digital Ms about the same as the M10P 
    The EVF is better then all before 
    say goodbye to all the ND filters no need now you can use your Summilux and Noctilux lenses in daylight wide open 
    I can not think of one single thing that any of the previous Digital M bodies did better than the M11, If someone can point it out I am all ears.
     
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    SrMi reacted to jonoslack in M11 Dynamic Range Specification   
    Nothing wrong with setting the function buttons to do what you want.
    I have the top button set for magnification, the left middle one as live view, the dial set to exposure compensation (as you do) and I think having the press set to metering type as @Hanno said is a cracking idea (and I've done it!). 
    best
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    SrMi reacted to jonoslack in M11 Dynamic Range Specification   
    This all seems entirely sensible!
    Leica priced itself that high, because unless they manufacture them in the far east and sell millions of them (which ain't going to happen) then it's the only way of doing it. I think they have always been about the same multiple of the average wage though . . . and actually, all of the quality cameras these days are getting more expensive as the market is shrinking ( iphones are so damn good!)
    I'm a late comer to Leica (first an M7 in 2006) but I've been making up for lost time!
     
    All the very best
    Jono
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    SrMi reacted to M Journey in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    The Leica tech talk in the m11 just concluded. They talk about the sensor and colors quite a bit:  
     
     
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    SrMi reacted to LeonS in M11 FIRMWARE UPDATE WISH LIST   
    Since some mathematical concept was used in the review, here is a good technical reason why 60mb is not ‘significantly’ better for low resolving lens:
    total resolving power = lens resolving power x sensor resolving power
    If your lens is high resolving, then the power is close to 100%, then the smaller the pixel pitch, the closer you are to 100% in resolving power.
    But if your lens is thambar, then resolving power is very low (say 50%), then double your pixel count is at best going from 25% to 50% total resolving power. 
     
    is it better on theory? In resolving power point of view, yes.  But only 25% better in absolute term at best. My eyes can’t really tell if the details is 25% better, but my hard drive cost doubled.
    yes TO ME I can make do with less mp on my thambar.
     
     
     
     
     
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    SrMi got a reaction from jakontil in Highlight Recovery   
    When you say "good highlight recovery", it often means that your raw converter applied positive brightness correction, and moving "exposure" slider in the raw converter to the left, you force it to display what was initially hidden. (Iliah Borg)
    "Highlight recovery" isn't a sensor characteristic. It's something you hope to squeeze out of the image when you have missed your exposure. If you expose properly (eg. Exposure To The Right) your highlights are properly exposed and "highlight recover" is moot. Then, how much you can "recover" from the shadows is ultimately what matters. (Bill Claff)
    Adobe considers highlights recovery when you clip at least one channel (link). I am looking at Adobe's definition.
    I have observed the highlight recovery of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 using the same lens and subject (in live-view with multi-field metering). RawDigger was used to determine the clipping, and Lightroom was used to assess highlight recovery. M10-R and M11 have similar highlight recovery. M10-P degrades quicker from fully recoverable with color loss to useless.
    ISO 200
    M10-P
    no clipping: 1/750
    clipping starts at: 1/500
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/250
    M10-R
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
    M11
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
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    SrMi got a reaction from Chaemono in Where Does the M11 Put the S?   
    Jono believes that pixel binning is done in firmware, not hardware. That makes sense. The DR of lower resolution files is similar to the  60MP files after resizing in post.
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    SrMi got a reaction from mon10a in Highlight Recovery   
    When you say "good highlight recovery", it often means that your raw converter applied positive brightness correction, and moving "exposure" slider in the raw converter to the left, you force it to display what was initially hidden. (Iliah Borg)
    "Highlight recovery" isn't a sensor characteristic. It's something you hope to squeeze out of the image when you have missed your exposure. If you expose properly (eg. Exposure To The Right) your highlights are properly exposed and "highlight recover" is moot. Then, how much you can "recover" from the shadows is ultimately what matters. (Bill Claff)
    Adobe considers highlights recovery when you clip at least one channel (link). I am looking at Adobe's definition.
    I have observed the highlight recovery of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 using the same lens and subject (in live-view with multi-field metering). RawDigger was used to determine the clipping, and Lightroom was used to assess highlight recovery. M10-R and M11 have similar highlight recovery. M10-P degrades quicker from fully recoverable with color loss to useless.
    ISO 200
    M10-P
    no clipping: 1/750
    clipping starts at: 1/500
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/250
    M10-R
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
    M11
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
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    SrMi got a reaction from IMAGEPOWER in M11 FIRMWARE UPDATE WISH LIST   
    Please add back Perspective Control.
    Please add 1h max for Camera Standby.
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    SrMi got a reaction from setuporg in M11 freezing up and becoming un-responsive   
    If we find the situation when it happens, we could help Leica fix it quicker and maybe allow owners to work with the camera while waiting for a fix. This is for the benefit of all camera owners.
    Finding a temporary solution does not mean that the bug should not be fixed.
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    SrMi reacted to adan in The Leica M11 images thread   
    "100% view" means magnification where one image pixel = one viewing-screen pixel.
    It's an "Adobe-ism. In Photoshop, when one zooms in to that magnificaton, Photoshop puts "100%" in the viewing-scale window.

    Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! And since Adobe (for all practical purposes) founded and has led the "digital imaging industry" for 30+ years - they got to write the "dictionary," starting decades ago.
    "100% crop" simply clarifies that this is not a different photo made with a longer lens - but a small cropped area of the same photo, at 100% view (image pixels = screen pixels).
    ...........
    Anyway, since this is supposed to be an image thread, with comments related only to the images:
    I do note a "magenta/purple tendency" among these M11 images thus far.
    Sampled color from a shadow in the white neck-feathers of tashley's bird (not to single that picture out - just one convenient example)

    Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! But that could be taste, monitor calibrations, the "default embedded profile," the new IR and UV filtering layer on the sensor, sticking to SOOC pictures to reveal the "true nature" of the M11 sensor - or many other things.
    It may contribute to the idea that the M11 image flow has been "tuned" to look more M9-ish - which had a distinct magenta tendency straight from the camera.
    Personally, "magenta" in pictures has been a bête noire for me for decades. Magenta Contax lenses, magenta Nikkor lenses, magenta Velvia 50 highlights. Bahhh-phooey!
    One of the main reasons I switched to Leica and the more greenish-yellow Mandler/Canadian lenses 21 years ago.
    But it is not hard to fix with a good Colorchecker profile and white-balancing, or other post-processing (I got the M9 to behave for 7+ years ). So I won't count it against the M11.
     
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    SrMi reacted to Tailwagger in Can your 18Mpx camera do this?   
    Done, thanks for the suggestion!
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    SrMi reacted to Tailwagger in Can your 18Mpx camera do this?   
    Two words right back at you. 'Got 'em.'  😃 Work well enough to read a dashboard while driving, but don't help me in this situation. 
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    SrMi reacted to Chaemono in M11 vs. SL2-S at ISO 12500   
    First, it seems to apply in general to 24 MP BSI sensors but I know that it’s the case for the SL2-S and the S5. In the pictures in my link above, the S1 and the α7 III also don’t show white pixels in the high ISO dark areas.
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    SrMi reacted to FlashGordonPhotography in Why I will not be getting a M11...   
    Cameras never make images better or worse. A good image is a result of skill technique or luck, not the camera. The M11 takes photos no better or worse than the M10 or M3. Technically I'm seeing some small improvements with some lenses but not all due to the new sensor and the stuff glued to it.
    Gordon
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    SrMi got a reaction from Edax in M11 vs. SL2-S at ISO 12500   
    ISO, 12800, underexposed 3 stops and lifted in Lightroom +3.
    (M11 top, SL2-S bottom)
     
     

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    SrMi got a reaction from Edax in M11 vs. SL2-S at ISO 12500   
    I am comparing M11 (top image) and SL2-S (bottom image) at ISO 12500. Same lens, same exposure. Both images with Cobalt Standard profile.
     

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