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    SrMi got a reaction from elmars in Highlight Recovery   
    When you say "good highlight recovery", it often means that your raw converter applied positive brightness correction, and moving "exposure" slider in the raw converter to the left, you force it to display what was initially hidden. (Iliah Borg)
    "Highlight recovery" isn't a sensor characteristic. It's something you hope to squeeze out of the image when you have missed your exposure. If you expose properly (eg. Exposure To The Right) your highlights are properly exposed and "highlight recover" is moot. Then, how much you can "recover" from the shadows is ultimately what matters. (Bill Claff)
    Adobe considers highlights recovery when you clip at least one channel (link). I am looking at Adobe's definition.
    I have observed the highlight recovery of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 using the same lens and subject (in live-view with multi-field metering). RawDigger was used to determine the clipping, and Lightroom was used to assess highlight recovery. M10-R and M11 have similar highlight recovery. M10-P degrades quicker from fully recoverable with color loss to useless.
    ISO 200
    M10-P
    no clipping: 1/750
    clipping starts at: 1/500
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/250
    M10-R
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
    M11
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
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    SrMi got a reaction from FlashGordonPhotography in Interesting opinion piece on the M11, and it’s future implications for the rangefinder   
    Regarding M, Leica has said that their baseline (cast in stone) is always to stay a true rangefinder camera and try to add new possibilities so that the heart and the core are not disturbed.
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    SrMi got a reaction from jakontil in Highlight Recovery   
    When you say "good highlight recovery", it often means that your raw converter applied positive brightness correction, and moving "exposure" slider in the raw converter to the left, you force it to display what was initially hidden. (Iliah Borg)
    "Highlight recovery" isn't a sensor characteristic. It's something you hope to squeeze out of the image when you have missed your exposure. If you expose properly (eg. Exposure To The Right) your highlights are properly exposed and "highlight recover" is moot. Then, how much you can "recover" from the shadows is ultimately what matters. (Bill Claff)
    Adobe considers highlights recovery when you clip at least one channel (link). I am looking at Adobe's definition.
    I have observed the highlight recovery of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 using the same lens and subject (in live-view with multi-field metering). RawDigger was used to determine the clipping, and Lightroom was used to assess highlight recovery. M10-R and M11 have similar highlight recovery. M10-P degrades quicker from fully recoverable with color loss to useless.
    ISO 200
    M10-P
    no clipping: 1/750
    clipping starts at: 1/500
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/250
    M10-R
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
    M11
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
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    SrMi reacted to shirubadanieru in I love my M11.   
    [MERGED]
    Just got my M11! Creating this thread for people to share photos of their M11.
    Please avoid discussions here as there are other threads for that. Let's focus on sharing pictures of our new camera only! 
    Here's mine! Just out of the box, with the summicron 35mm v2 (kanto silver) attached. Still waiting for the battery to finish charging so I can actually use it, but so far my first impressions is that the weight is great, and I’m loving the finish, and might prefer it to black chrome even, as it goes really well with my silver lenses! Looking forward to seeing yours!
     
    Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!
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    SrMi got a reaction from shirubadanieru in Shutter noise in M11   
    No M11 user notices an additional delay when compared to M10. It seems that only people who do not own M11 are bothered by the delay of 0.017ms.
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    SrMi reacted to Jeff S in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    @adan  As you wished.  At about the 57 minute mark in the stream, Jesko notes how the elimination of the light meter provided more space and decreased flaring and ghosting compared to the M10.  Congrats.
    Jeff
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    SrMi reacted to ZHNL in Confusing EVF display implementation   
    click wheel for EC can be set directly without using FN. Just enable it in one of customized control. (if you enable it, you can change EC by wheel while half press the shutter just like any other M cameras) 
    This save you a FN button
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    SrMi got a reaction from mon10a in Highlight Recovery   
    When you say "good highlight recovery", it often means that your raw converter applied positive brightness correction, and moving "exposure" slider in the raw converter to the left, you force it to display what was initially hidden. (Iliah Borg)
    "Highlight recovery" isn't a sensor characteristic. It's something you hope to squeeze out of the image when you have missed your exposure. If you expose properly (eg. Exposure To The Right) your highlights are properly exposed and "highlight recover" is moot. Then, how much you can "recover" from the shadows is ultimately what matters. (Bill Claff)
    Adobe considers highlights recovery when you clip at least one channel (link). I am looking at Adobe's definition.
    I have observed the highlight recovery of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 using the same lens and subject (in live-view with multi-field metering). RawDigger was used to determine the clipping, and Lightroom was used to assess highlight recovery. M10-R and M11 have similar highlight recovery. M10-P degrades quicker from fully recoverable with color loss to useless.
    ISO 200
    M10-P
    no clipping: 1/750
    clipping starts at: 1/500
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/250
    M10-R
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
    M11
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
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    SrMi reacted to John Smith in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    I think it was the highest DR of any color M to date. Look @29:16. Convinced me to trade in my M10R.
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    SrMi reacted to hdmesa in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    This is great for those who were freaking out over the metering running full-time – rangefinder mode is still a power-saving benefit.
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    SrMi got a reaction from hdmesa in Survey: Are you planning to buy the new Leica M11?   
    I doubt that Jim will get an M11, so you have to do with my measurements.
    M11 on a tripod, focus using EVF, 50mm and 135mm lens, 12-sec delay. I tested mechanical vs. electronic shutter at 1/60 sec and evaluated the images using 200% view in LrC. There is no difference in acuity.
    There is no shutter shock effect visible with M11.
    I hope someone can confirm my tests.
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    SrMi got a reaction from Daedalus2000 in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    The other benefit is that the buffer never gets full if you are shooting continuously.
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    SrMi got a reaction from Hanno in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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    SrMi got a reaction from dsm21 in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    The other benefit is that the buffer never gets full if you are shooting continuously.
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    SrMi got a reaction from setuporg in A running tally of M11 complaints so far   
    I am not saying we should strive for M9 colors, but which color profile did you use? 
    For those using Adobe software, let's wait for Adobe's full support of M11 before judging the colors. PROFILE M11 looks like a stop-gap solution to me. Cobalt Standard seems to work much better.
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    SrMi got a reaction from setuporg in A running tally of M11 complaints so far   
    What happened with X1D is that the hardware component tolerances were larger than what software expected. 
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    SrMi got a reaction from Alberti in A running tally of M11 complaints so far   
    AFAIR, with X1D it was a capacitor tolerance issue, not the switch/dial.
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    SrMi got a reaction from FrankX in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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    SrMi got a reaction from elmars in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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    SrMi got a reaction from shirubadanieru in Highlight Recovery   
    When you say "good highlight recovery", it often means that your raw converter applied positive brightness correction, and moving "exposure" slider in the raw converter to the left, you force it to display what was initially hidden. (Iliah Borg)
    "Highlight recovery" isn't a sensor characteristic. It's something you hope to squeeze out of the image when you have missed your exposure. If you expose properly (eg. Exposure To The Right) your highlights are properly exposed and "highlight recover" is moot. Then, how much you can "recover" from the shadows is ultimately what matters. (Bill Claff)
    Adobe considers highlights recovery when you clip at least one channel (link). I am looking at Adobe's definition.
    I have observed the highlight recovery of M10-P, M10-R, and M11 using the same lens and subject (in live-view with multi-field metering). RawDigger was used to determine the clipping, and Lightroom was used to assess highlight recovery. M10-R and M11 have similar highlight recovery. M10-P degrades quicker from fully recoverable with color loss to useless.
    ISO 200
    M10-P
    no clipping: 1/750
    clipping starts at: 1/500
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/250
    M10-R
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
    M11
    no clipping: 1/1000
    clipping starts at: 1/750
    fully recoverable until: 1/350 (color changes)
    Useless: 1/180
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    SrMi got a reaction from Daedalus2000 in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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    SrMi reacted to BJohn in Shutter noise in M11   
    I am glad that the topic was cleared by some Leica employment in the tech talk, @SrMi has a nice summary on that in this thread:
    Hence I will conclude from my humble perspective: I was right about a decrease in the shutter lag but I highly believe that I won't realise that 0,10s of an additional shutter lag. Still have to decide whether the M11 is a buy or not, but I really think that this is acceptable. In that talk they also stated that the M is about the rangefinder and the development of such is going to continue which sounded to me very trustable and promising! With all the other improvements due to having more room as the old metering is gone also benefits the M11. I have to say sorry for being wrong and a bit disappointed in the beginning to @elmars. But that tech talk at least regarding my uncertainties was helpful.
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    SrMi reacted to LeicaS2 in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    Things I learned:
    The improvement in tighter rangefinder tolerance is carried over from the M10.
    The metering system does not use as much battery as one would assume. Leave the camera on.
    The reds are much more true. Closer to the S.
    Consider a night shot going one to three stops underexposed and adjusting in post.
    The cover IR and UV filter is very thin and very custom to this sensor.
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    SrMi got a reaction from dsm21 in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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    SrMi got a reaction from M Journey in Leica Tech Talk on the M11 - Jan 20 2022   
    There is an incredible wealth of information in this talk. Here are some key points:
    Lower resolution is better for buffering (endless with 36MP mode). No degradation in image quality when using a lower resolution, unlike other manufacturers (12 bit instead of 14 bit, getting slower). Compatibility with old lenses has improved, there is more space inside the camera. Highest DR of all M cameras (ISO 64). Dual gain technology helps with DR (ISO 64 and between ISO 200 and 400) No major product update within the next year. John Kreidler says that the colors are reminiscent of S cameras, the colors are getting better and better. Going to a lower resolution mode means less noise in the shadows (better DR). The same effect can be achieved with 60MP if you reduce the resolution in post. Leica works closely with Adobe and Capture One. Capture One already has a profile. In Adobe you can use Adobe Standard or embedded M11 Profile (more saturated). Recommend using Adobe Standard for high ISO. The new shutter is 10ms slower, not noticeable in practice. Shutter lag is longer with the electronic shutter; use the mechanical shutter for the shortest lag. Better flare resistance with M11, more room inside, not much where the light can reflect. Situations where M10 would show reflections and ghost effects may be eliminated with M11. There is no difference in color reproduction depending on the resolution. High ISO performance (ISO 6400) vs. the competition: clear and strong advantage in color rendition at high ISO in the finest details. If you are looking only at ground noise level, you will not see much difference. Had long discussions about rangefinder accuracy with 60MP. Ten years ago would have said not possible, but it turned out to be working very well. Incredible battery life, especially compared to previous models; not running live view when metering saves power.
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