Thanks for the responses, which confirm my suspicion that Amazon has default descriptions and or sellers might not know what they have. But, for someone selling a high 4 digit $ item, you might think they would do better. I too am hesitant on trying to save money by going on-line for a M-P I am considering, given the costs, thinking brand new from a Leica store here in San Francisco, though top dollar, will have some reliability and a dealer to work with, training, and classes and all. It's a big step to drop that much money for a non pro shooter like me.