leica007 Posted October 1, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I recently purchased a Leica M8. It shows a very thin VERTICAL LINE at very ISO and dark/underexposed photos. Is it a dead pixel problem? [ A sample is attached] Can you find any other problem in the photo, which I - having migrated from FILM M cameras - have missed? Please share your opinion and let me know if I need to send the camera to Solms for repairing. Thanks. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/98730-vertical-line-in-leica-m8/?do=findComment&comment=1058015'>More sharing options...
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leica007 Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share #2 Posted October 1, 2009 a clearer vertical line in the photo, after curves manipulation. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/98730-vertical-line-in-leica-m8/?do=findComment&comment=1058168'>More sharing options...
dNorm Posted October 1, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 1, 2009 Yes, this is abnormal. The camera will likely require a sensor replacement. If you search this forum, you'll others who have experienced this very problem. Cheers. -Norm a clearer vertical line in the photo, after curves manipulation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
usayit Posted October 2, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 2, 2009 Yes, this is abnormal. The camera will likely require a sensor replacement. If you search this forum, you'll others who have experienced this very problem. Cheers. -Norm Yes... Mine had the same issue that got progressively worse. It was fixed at the new jersey facility in just over 2 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted October 2, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 2, 2009 The dreaded vertical line. Mine has been in NJ since mid august Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kully Posted October 2, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 2, 2009 My M8 is going back to Leica for the same thing. Hope it's under warranty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted October 2, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 2, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) My M8 is going back to Leica for the same thing. Hope it's under warranty. It is covered by warranty and should also be thereafter: an inherent manufacturing fault that makes the camera useless. Please do not let yourself to be convinced of the opposite too easily! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasex Posted October 2, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 2, 2009 My almost brand new M8 (ex demo with about 300 shutter actuation) has this problem too, at 1250, and 2500 ISO. A trip to Solms is needed, covered by guarantee, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 2, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 2, 2009 It's easy to talk about manufacturing defects (which lie ultimately at Kodak's door, not Leica's) but the sensor specifications allow for up to 2500 defective pixels and 10 defective columns with a definition of how close together the defects can be. This looks to be a dead column, not a saturated one. Dead columns are allowed but any saturated column means the whole sensor is considered defective. The camera is taught where these defects are and interpolates across the bad areas and the assumption is that the sensor is then stable over time. If you send the camera back, they may just put it through a "re-education" program to mask out the new defects. I'm sure they have a test mode to display the uncorrected sensor output - warts and all - in this situation and then judge whether the sensor is still within their established criteria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted October 2, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 2, 2009 Just got mine back today after 6 wks in NJ. New CCD, no charge. Will try it out this weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leica007 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share #11 Posted October 2, 2009 Got emails from Solms and Leica-UK; they want me to send the camera to Solms for repairing. It's still under warranty, so there's slightly less headache, but it's surely a nuisance. you buy a camera and immediately stay away from it for weeks. it's like staying away from your spouse right after the marriage, without getting a chance to go on honeymoon. Why can't Leica get things right at the first instance and make sure everything performs perfectly? i am sure this sensor repairing business is also an unattractive financial proposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted October 5, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 5, 2009 Although it took 6 wks, the camera is perfect with it's new sensor. Thank you Leica N.J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted October 5, 2009 Share #13 Posted October 5, 2009 I also have this problem and am arranging to have the camera returned for repair. Damn nuisance. Does this happen with N or C sensors? LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btbowie Posted October 6, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 6, 2009 My recent M8 purchase had the same problem, sent to NJ on advice from the retailer, but in the end it was deemed a billable repair, CCD needed replacing, my M8 wasnt under warranty, the damage = $1250, I decided to return that one to buy a new unit. Just figured Id let people know what the ballpark figure is in case you might be having that problem and have no other choices Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted October 6, 2009 Share #15 Posted October 6, 2009 My recent M8 purchase had the same problem, sent to NJ on advice from the retailer, but in the end it was deemed a billable repair, CCD needed replacing, my M8 wasnt under warranty, the damage = $1250, I decided to return that one to buy a new unit. Just figured Id let people know what the ballpark figure is in case you might be having that problem and have no other choices That is robbery. This is a known problem, both my M8's had this problem. One of them being a brand new camera and the other happening 19 months after receiving the camera (it was a replacement for one that had defects) and 13 days before the warranty ran out on the original cameras purchase date. Since I sold one of the cameras I could care less about that one but I still have the replacement for original and if it happens again I expect Leica to replace the sensor for free. This forum is littered with posts about this problem. So it is not a isolated case. In fact there have been reports of the M9 having a very similar problem and since the M9 is brand new it was on a camera right out of the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dNorm Posted October 6, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 6, 2009 I've personally not experienced this with Nikon or Canon, but have with the Fuji S9000 (covered under warranty) and the Olympus E-1 ($250 sensor replacement). -Norm I also have this problem and am arranging to have the camera returned for repair. Damn nuisance. Does this happen with N or C sensors? LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikki Posted October 6, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 6, 2009 I have similair lines, but then horizontal. Is this the same problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btbowie Posted October 6, 2009 Share #18 Posted October 6, 2009 That is robbery. This is a known problem, both my M8's had this problem. One of them being a brand new camera and the other happening 19 months after receiving the camera (it was a replacement for one that had defects) and 13 days before the warranty ran out on the original cameras purchase date. Since I sold one of the cameras I could care less about that one but I still have the replacement for original and if it happens again I expect Leica to replace the sensor for free. This forum is littered with posts about this problem. So it is not a isolated case. In fact there have been reports of the M9 having a very similar problem and since the M9 is brand new it was on a camera right out of the box. I agree, even the woman I spoke with at Leica NJ said I "better be sitting down" when I open up the quote letter, so I knew it would be up there, myself and my dealer both fully expected this to be a free fix, so we were surprised, especially since it wasnt an early serial number body, but, it is what it is, so, Im waiting for it to return from Jersey and Im just going to buy a new body, at least Ill have a warranty I know I can fall back on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brycepincham Posted October 7, 2009 Share #19 Posted October 7, 2009 Recently received my M8 back from NJ with a new sensor, $1250 later. It was 6 months out of warranty. What concerns me is if this problem comes back again in another year or two, this is going to get boring if I have to pay $1200 to replace a sensor every couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted October 7, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 7, 2009 Not much feel-good here, but keep in mind that your camera is now completely covered against defects for one year from the repair date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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