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Summary of Q&A Session with Stefan Daniel during Hessenpark Meeting


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#1 LUF Admin

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 19:25

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[schmal]Hi,

here's finally the official translation of the summary of the Q&A session with Stefan Daniel during the Hessenpark member meeting.

I transcibed it from the video I made that evening and translated it with my limited English skills (What the heck is "verkitten" or "Kittglieder" in English?)

If you have any improvements please let me know via PM, I'll correct it here.


Strategy In General

Panasonic Cooperation
  • The Panasonic cooperation will continue
  • More compact cameras to come
Leica and Micro FourThirds
  • Leica is not going to offer MFT cameras
  • Leica may offer MFT lenses
  • MFT is and interesting system
  • Sensor size is a very limiting factor
Leica And The Forum
  • Leica is not going to run an own forum on their website
  • Collaboration is seen as running well and constructive
  • Positive example is the first L-Camera TV show from the Leica production
  • Many Leica employees are reading in this forum regularly, so that important contributions in the forum are reported immeditiately to the management
  • The forum provides many contributions to the product development
  • Stefan Daniel agrees to answer forum questions more often in the future
Leica As Lens Supplier for Other Camera Systems
  • Patents needed are only swapped inside of the Japanes camera industry
  • Zeiss lenses are manufactured by Cosina who are seen as Japanese company
  • That way Zeiss receives the patents, Leica as German company does not
  • Leica's attempts to come to an agreement failed until now
  • Reverse engineering is legally too risky
Extending The Product Range
  • No Leica scanners are planned
  • The LCD projector range is continued but won't have interchangeable lenses
  • Maybe the customer service will offer to implement different lenses

R-System

R10 and Alternatives
  • There will be no digital SLR aka R10
  • But there will be - and we are working on this - a suitable solution how to use R lenses digitally
  • It's very important to us, that owners of R lenses can take pictures digitally in the near future
  • This solution will have nothing to do to with the S2
  • Leica has examined intensively which features and what price tag a R10 had to have
  • Price would have been 6000 - 7000 Euro and it would have been far behind the competitors
  • This would have been a solution for the existing customer base but not for new customers
  • Therefore the R system is discontinued, the existing system runs out
  • There is no due date for the new solution
  • Indirect notes by Stefan Daniel to 35 mm full format
  • Definitely it's not going to be a SLR
DMR
The reasons for stopping the DMR were
  • Cooperation with Imacon now Hasselblad ended very abruptly
  • Sales figures were low (approx. 10% of M8/M8.2)
The DMR firmware will have no updates.


M-System

M9
  • A LEICA M9 will come
  • Developing full format is technically very demanding because of the M lenses
  • We are one step further but still not there where we can announce the camera
M8 Upgrades
  • No more upgrades are planned
  • Dealers don't like upgrades as no additional sales are generated
  • The M8 upgrade constrained Leica M8.2 sales
  • Used cameras are entry level cameras thus attracting new customers to Leica
  • This would drop by future upgrade offers
Sensor Supplier
  • Kodak is prepared to Leica's needs, for example the special size of the S2 sensor
  • Other manufacturers like Sony only offer a fixed range of sensors
Summarits / Entry Level Lenses
  • Summarits are true Leica lenses
  • The LEICA ELMAR-M f/3,8 24 mm was already an extension of this line
  • More affordable Leica lenses are to come - perhaps not named Summarit (reserved for 2.5 lenses)
  • Summilux 50mm sales are 100% above of Summarit sales
Super Wide Lenses
Asked for super wide lenses:
  • Leica already has an 16mm - Leica can only offer shorter lenses
  • This is a topic we could work on...
18mm Finder Availability
  • 18mm finder to come in June
  • The frame precision wasn't sufficient yet therefore a rework was necessary
NOCTILUX Availability
  • NOCTILUX wa announced for February
  • Production turned out to be more complex than assumed
  • NOCTILUX consists of 8 elements in 5 groups
  • These groups are first cemented (?), then coated
  • This process had problems which are solved now
  • End of June, beginning of July larger quantities will reach the market

S-System
  • Pilot lot is in production by now
  • Everything is on schedule
  • Price will be on the same level as the top cameras in the digital professional segment - like high end solutions by Hasselblad and Phase One
  • Body will be below 20,000 Euros
  • Because of the Leica lens quality and the lacking low-pass filter LEICA S2 can compete with 50MP cameras of the competitors
  • Target group of the S2 are professional photographers (studio, fashion, automobile)
  • Total market are about 10,000 cameras per year
  • Leica is going for a at least two digit market share


German original is here:
http://www.l-camera-...menfassung.html

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 19:33

Thanks Andreas, it's much appreciated.

One question, under extending the product range there's mention of a 'beamer range'. What's that?
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 19:35

Thanks Andreas, clear and concise.

Steve, a "beamer" is an LCD projector.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 20:58

Thanks Andreas, it's much appreciated.

One question, under extending the product range there's mention of a 'beamer range'. What's that?


I think it means projector?

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 21:01

Thanks, that makes sense.
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Posted 17 June 2009 - 21:37

Thanks Andreas for this clear and short summary !
Regards
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so the next step is the "M9": it's a good news

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 22:05

Reading between the lines ref "no R10 DSLR" ... but "important that R lenses are usable digitally" could this imply an interchangeable R lens EVF digital body ?

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 22:13

Thank you for the summary.

Off-topic -
I have the impression 'beamer' for projector is an English word, which exists in Germany only. In the US, a beamer seems to be a BMW...

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 05:15

Reading between the lines ref "no R10 DSLR" ... but "important that R lenses are usable digitally" could this imply an interchangeable R lens EVF digital body ?

Cheers

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It would help many of us to have confidence to continue patiently waiting for the digital R solution, if we could have some minimal information, such as confirmation of whether it will have functions such as automatic diaphragm, open-aperture metering, aperture priority, or perhaps a shift mechanism on the lens mount ;-) . (i.e. more functional than the fully manual operation of Canon adapters)

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 08:36

It would help many of us to have confidence to continue patiently waiting for the digital R solution, if we could have some minimal information, such as confirmation of whether it will have functions such as automatic diaphragm, open-aperture metering, aperture priority, or perhaps a shift mechanism on the lens mount ;-) . (i.e. more functional than the fully manual operation of Canon adapters)

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Tom, welcome to the Forum. I would certainly second what you say.
Best wishes.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 03:02

Yes and the reference at the dinner from Herr Daniel was that there there was no planned wide angle lens for the new Pradovit.

I think it means projector?

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 09:32

It would help many of us to have confidence to continue patiently waiting for the digital R solution, if we could have some minimal information, such as confirmation of whether it will have functions such as automatic diaphragm, open-aperture metering, aperture priority, or perhaps a shift mechanism on the lens mount ;-) . (i.e. more functional than the fully manual operation of Canon adapters)

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I strongly suspect the outline of the thing is not settled yet, but I think we can safely assume that it will offer full functionality.(except , I guess. a shift mechanism)
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Posted 20 June 2009 - 21:38

I strongly suspect the outline of the thing is not settled yet, but I think we can safely assume that it will offer full functionality.(except , I guess. a shift mechanism)


I'm afraid I view this IMAGINARY solution as yet another attempt at damage control by Leica with respect to disgruntled R users. I doubt very much that any such solution will ever see the light of day. Beyond that, any EVF/EVIL solution would be totally unacceptable as far as my requirements are concerned.
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Posted 20 June 2009 - 22:36

I'm afraid I view this IMAGINARY solution as yet another attempt at damage control by Leica with respect to disgruntled R users. I doubt very much that any such solution will ever see the light of day. Beyond that, any EVF/EVIL solution would be totally unacceptable as far as my requirements are concerned.


But supposing Leica are developing, or have access to, a 'super' EVF better than any existing EVF? They have already stated that a future 'R lens' camera will not be an SLR . If there is no mirror how else apart from using an EVF would 'R lens' viewing and focusing be achieved? EVFs are likely to improve and are likely to supersede mirrors eventually. I'm quite impressed with the G1 EVF.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 23:24

Pana's probably planning to launch an EPS EVIL to compete with the Samsung NX. Put an adapter ring on it and you'll get the famous solution Leica's thinking about. :rolleyes:

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 23:59

But supposing Leica are developing, or have access to, a 'super' EVF better than any existing EVF? They have already stated that a future 'R lens' camera will not be an SLR . If there is no mirror how else apart from using an EVF would 'R lens' viewing and focusing be achieved? EVFs are likely to improve and are likely to supersede mirrors eventually. I'm quite impressed with the G1 EVF.

Cheers

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I use the R8/DMR currently, why would I want to even consider what I see as an inferior solution? The G1 is nowhere good enough to even remotely be considered for my purposes. Then again, I'm a photojournalist thus my requirements cannot be met in any way, shape or form by an EVF.

Indeed, your needs may differ.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 22:50

Nobody is talking G1...Let's wait and see what the actual solution is before we start hammering it.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 22:58

Mark is talking G1 as the best EVF out there today. Unless I am reading him incorrectly.

I have already made my feelings viz G1 EVFs in his thread.

If I'm going anywhere with this, it's to Nikon.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 23:08

I cannot but agree with you on the G1 EVF. I was not one of those that raised their hands when Stefan Daniel asked who found the G1 EVF good enough. However, I got the strong impression that Leica is contemplating something considerably better. Wait and see.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 23:33

OK ... going back to the Q&A Session summary and specifically "R10 and Alternatives" where it definitely states :

' .. no digital SLR aka R10'
'... very important to us, that owners of R lenses can take pictures digitally'
'Definitely it's not going to be a SLR'

Given that there is definitely not going to be a DSLR, can anyone think of any other feasible way of utilizing R lenses on a full frame body other than by using an EVF camera? The only other possible solution I can think of is a pellicle fixed mirror which with a digital sensor might not compromise image quality as much as with a film camera. But it would still need a pentaprism - so the EVF still seems more of a possibility.

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