andybarton Posted March 14, 2011 Share #21 Posted March 14, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Advice on how to resize and upload photographs is available in two sticky threads at the top of the "About the Leica Forum" sub-section. Please place your shots in the appropriate place in the Photo sub-forum. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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prunelle Posted March 14, 2011 Share #22 Posted March 14, 2011 Advice on how to resize and upload photographs is available in two sticky threads at the top of the "About the Leica Forum" sub-section. Please place your shots in the appropriate place in the Photo sub-forum. Thanks This musn't be meant to me since I have already read all this ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted March 15, 2011 Share #23 Posted March 15, 2011 Yeah - must say I don't have much faith in these rules. Another member explicitly defamed me in a recent thread - describing something (very trivial) which I could easily prove to be true as "a lie" and then continued to describe me in subsequent posts as "a liar". Eventually the offending posts were removed in a general clear-up in a thread that had become generally messy and discordant, but nothing else was done about it. I actually rang a lawyer friend of mine to see what he thought (mostly just out of curiosity), and apparently case history might have made this actionable, but we both ended-up laughing about it - or rather laughing at me for taking such stupid things seriously. Even so, I've met and personally know some other members on the forum (one of them lives 100 meters, or so from me), so being called a liar wasn't something I thought should be tolerated, and it surprised me that nothing was done when I protested. I guess having a thick skin is a prerequisite of participation on the forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunelle Posted March 15, 2011 Share #24 Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) By the way, I forgot to mention that the "ignore function" links lead to Leica Camera AG - Home instead of "....leica-camera-user.com/faq.php?faq=vb_user_maintain&langid=2#faq_vb_buddy_explain". I guess the page no longer exists ? Edited March 15, 2011 by prunelle Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 15, 2011 Share #25 Posted March 15, 2011 ...so being called a liar wasn't something I thought should be tolerated, and it surprised me that nothing was done when I protested. I guess having a thick skin is a prerequisite of participation on the forum. Something was done about it. PM me if you wish to discuss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunelle Posted March 28, 2011 Share #26 Posted March 28, 2011 I just want to say something about this part of the rules : Prerequisite for placing a photo is that it has been made with Leica equipment and/or has a strong relationship to a Leica subject. For the avoidance of doubt, this includes the use of Leica lenses on third party bodies, Leica lenses on Leica partner cameras (e.g. Panasonic) and the use of third party lenses on Leica bodies. In general, photographs taken without the use of Leica equipment are not permitted. I don't agree with this. I know it won't change anything but I need to say it. For me, a Leica Forum should consider photos made with Leica equipment only, bodies and lenses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 28, 2011 Share #27 Posted March 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) For me, a Leica Forum should consider photos made with Leica equipment only, bodies and lenses. What about rebadged Panasonic cameras, do they count as Leica even though they're not made by them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 28, 2011 Share #28 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) The V-Lux 2 is a Panasonic camera... Third party bodies and lenses are commonly used by many Leica owners and it is right that they should be allowed when people wish to post photographs here. However, one element of the process (either body or lens) must be Leica. Edited March 28, 2011 by andybarton Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scsambrook Posted March 28, 2011 Share #29 Posted March 28, 2011 In some respects I can understand prunelle's purist sentiments - "Leica is Leica is Leica ..." But so many people now use non-Leitz/Leica lenses that I think it would be unrealistic to exclude them from a general forum like this one. Many people are curious to see how other makers' lenses compare with the company's own - both current ones and past models - both technically and aesthetically. And for some - perhaps many - people the cost of new Leica lenses is prohibitive. Speaking for myself, the price of a new 21mm Leica objective is way beyond my means, which why I use a Voigtlander one. To prunelle, I would suggest that the purist must alo be a pragmatist. The banning of "foreign" lenses or bodies from the forum would deprive it of many interesting contributors, to the benefit of nobody. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 28, 2011 Share #30 Posted March 28, 2011 I should add, that I have no objection to way things are at the moment. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunelle Posted March 28, 2011 Share #31 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) I should add, that I have no objection to way things are at the moment. I just said that I didn't agree. No big deal; I'm nothing here. What about rebadged Panasonic cameras, do they count as Leica even though they're not made by them? They are supposed to be clones of their Leica counterparts, so... even if I think that it's weird, and actually it is weird. Are the M series made by Panasonic in their plants too? And is there a clone of the M somewhere too? Edited March 28, 2011 by prunelle Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 28, 2011 Share #32 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) The D-Luxes and V-Luxes are rebadged Panasonics - the Panasonics generally come first. No one, but Leica, make M cameras. They have nothing to do with Panasonic at all and there are no M camera clones. Edited March 28, 2011 by andybarton Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 28, 2011 Share #33 Posted March 28, 2011 I just said that I didn't agree. No big deal; I'm nothing here. Of course you are. You're a member here, with views as valid as everyone else's 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunelle Posted March 28, 2011 Share #34 Posted March 28, 2011 The D-Luxes and V-Luxes are rebadged Panasonics ... How is it that Leica has sunk that low that they sell copies of cameras that have been made by others? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 28, 2011 Share #35 Posted March 28, 2011 Who said it is sinking low? They are in a long term partnership with Panasonic and both parties benefit from the arrangement. Leica get product in the sub £1000 market, which they couldn't possibly make themselves and Panasonic get the benefit of Leica input into lenses on several of their cameras and are allowed to use the Leica name on them. The sale of rebadged Panasonics is a useful revenue stream for Leica Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 28, 2011 Share #36 Posted March 28, 2011 How is it that Leica has sunk that low that they sell copies of cameras that have been made by others? ???? Are you unhappy then with your V Lux? You do realise it's a rebadged Panasonic? Leica's tie in with Panasonic gave them a fast track route into the very lucrative digicam market - sales of the PanaLeica's kept Leica going and allowed them to develop cameras like the M8/9 and S2. Panasonic benefit by the association with a highly respected established photographic brand and the input of Leica lens designers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunelle Posted March 28, 2011 Share #37 Posted March 28, 2011 ... The sale of rebadged Panasonics is a useful revenue stream for Leica Are they or are they not Leica cameras? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 28, 2011 Share #38 Posted March 28, 2011 If it says "Leica" on the body of the camera, then it is a Leica, even if it's made in Japan and never sees Germany. However, a purist would argue that only those cameras produced in Leica's own factories, in Germany and Portugal, are true Leicas. Ms used to be made in Leica's own factory in Canada too, but that stopped making cameras years ago. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 28, 2011 Share #39 Posted March 28, 2011 You might find some of these links interesting. No mention of any "Panasonic" Leicas on the official history Leica Camera AG - Culture - Leica Products Wikipedia does mention some, but almost "in passing" Leica Camera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted March 28, 2011 Share #40 Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) If it has a red dot, it's a Leica. The R-series up to the R7 were all based upon a Minolta chassis. Similarly, there have been collaborations in the past with Fuji - the first digital leicas - and with Minolta (again) for film compacts. "Badge engineering" is nothing new - the Zeiss cameras and lenses are all Cosina at heart, as were the short-lived Rollei M-mount cameras. The Epson R-D1 was a Cosina chassis too. Edit - Andy has faster fingers than me Regards, Bill Edited March 28, 2011 by bill 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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