Guest stnami Posted August 7, 2008 Share #161 Posted August 7, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) Love to see your images sdai............. please feel free to post them in the photo forum ...................... those Nikon images of yours ..... Olympus and Panasonic are presenting a camera that a lot of people have been wanting and that is the important part Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 7, 2008 Posted August 7, 2008 Hi Guest stnami, Take a look here Micro 4/3 an alternative to digital M? (Merged). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest stnami Posted August 7, 2008 Share #162 Posted August 7, 2008 Hmmm, I'm not so sure, Andy ... the one I was in was running in peace (with only 3 replies and then you started referring to the whole efforts by OLy and Pana as a load of crap, yea the M8 forum looks good for you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted August 8, 2008 Share #163 Posted August 8, 2008 Riley the suggestion of 12.5 mm f/0.25 was hardly intended as a serious option so lighten up. We come here to have fun. I agree that a serious compact would be interesting, see my posting here. im fine about it, but F.25 isnt possible fastest lens ever made is F.7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted August 8, 2008 Share #164 Posted August 8, 2008 It wasn't my fault ... I am here only because Andy merged the thread in M8 forum into this one. I thought that I heard your fingernails scraping the drain pipe walls, as you came down here.. I do have a correction to the marketing stuff I gave above. I just read something else that put it differently. Of all the digital cameras sold only 7% are cameras with interchangeable lenses (probably put that way to pick up the M8). Of the people asked (out of the other 93%) if they would move up to a DSLR, most said that DSLRs were too big, too heavy and too complicated. Hey, if my kids are any indication, even the P&S digitals are to complicated. They've both moved into new homes and don't know how to send us a web picture.... They aren't the ones that answered the surveys for sure. The bottom line is that there are customers out there that would move up, if there was a product and that is what this micro4/3rds is all about for Oly, Pany and even Leica.....cute, small, light and affordable are that sector's values.....while our's are IQ, DR, Noise & High ISOs. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted August 8, 2008 Share #165 Posted August 8, 2008 As well as on the sensor design, à la M8. As Rubén said in the LuLa M8 article he mentions in post #13, the importance of telecentricity was originally overestimated. Hi Howard, Maybe...but Leica had serious concerns about it and it is a factor with the R-D1. Indeed, though, changes in sensor/microlens design can mitigate this. Cheers, Sean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampito Posted August 8, 2008 Share #166 Posted August 8, 2008 something that relates to the facts ƒIƒŠƒ“ƒpƒX‚ƃpƒiƒ\ƒjƒbƒNAuƒ}ƒCƒNƒƒtƒH[ƒT[ƒYƒVƒXƒeƒ€v‹KŠi‚ð”*•\ Riley, very interesting link! If you scroll down that page, it shows a comparison between a 4/3 lens and supposedly a m4/3 lens on the left. To me, the design on the left looks very Leica-like :-))) Or am I hallucinating? lens comparison I find this very interesting. All the best Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted August 8, 2008 Share #167 Posted August 8, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) the design on the left looks very Leica-like :-))) Red dots are very common in these days . Remember the new VC 2.0/28 has also one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mampito Posted August 8, 2008 Share #168 Posted August 8, 2008 Red dots are very common in these days . Remember the new VC 2.0/28 has also one. I did not mean the red dot, but the overall look. No curvature, straight lines etc. I know it is just a mockup... let's wait for photokina 08. Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted August 8, 2008 Share #169 Posted August 8, 2008 make no mistake, physical cameras are out there and people are beginning to talk heres what one says Pros: 1. Much smaller and lighter lenses. 2. Smaller bodies. 3. Quieter (no mirror slap). 4. Electronic viewfinder (state of the art EVF, flexible dynamic information overlay, exposure and white balance real-time preview, magnified critical focus, alignment grids, face detection, focus tracking, versatile AF point selection across entire frame, big view, bright view, clear view - all info off, etc.) 5. Backwards compatible with Four Thirds lenses via spacer adapter. Full exposure funcionality. AF function retained - though AF will be slower with many Four Thirds lenses. 6. Compatible with Four Thirds flash system. 7. Potential for implementation of high quality digital video recording function. Cons: 1. Electronic finder, despite versatility not everyone's cup of tea. 2. Bodies and lenses too small for some? 3. No compatibility for Micro FT lenses with standard Four Thirds bodies. 4. Slower contrast detect AF compared to phase detect AF on DSLRs. 5. AF less usable in low light without AF illuminator. 6. Electronic finder performance and clarity drops as brightness of scene lessens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted August 8, 2008 Share #170 Posted August 8, 2008 make no mistake, physical cameras are out there and people are beginning to talkheres what one says Pros: 1. Much smaller and lighter lenses. 2. Smaller bodies. ... Cons: 1. Electronic finder, despite versatility not everyone's cup of tea. 2. Bodies and lenses too small for some? ... As Scotty would say, "The right tools for the right job!" One machine that does everything well does not exist. Sometimes you want a $30,000 medium format camera, and sometimes an Oly E-420. Sometimes a Ducati, sometimes a BMW GS. Some people, like S___ or L__ think that "the system is dead" because they can't get it thru their heads that not every job calls for a Leica R9 or a Generic Canikon. Sometimes you don't want to do studio work, you want to capture the protest at the Republican Con-Vention without the Solomon Grundies noticing you. A small, black, interchangeable lens (cheap in case Grundies smash) camera is called for. One with high quality lenses, good jpeg quality, and stealthiness is in order. The Republi-cons get SO upset when you catch fearless Leader ShrubCheney doing and saying stupid things. Leica abandoned the true reportage market because while the M series might be of a nice size, I couldn't risk Grundy smash with a 5,000 dollar body and lenses that are half that price or more for each focal length. More power to Oly-PanaLeica if they can make something that focuses faster than a DP-1 and has a great kewlness factor about it (and does not break the bank). Over to you a__hat Sdai. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted August 8, 2008 Share #171 Posted August 8, 2008 Tracking Face Detection may seem like a gimic, but if it works, it couuld be a good PJ tool for where people gather to do " *ventional" things. It actually does work on my little FX500 and I'd expect better performance with more processing power behind it. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 8, 2008 Share #172 Posted August 8, 2008 im fine about it, but F.25 isnt possible fastest lens ever made is F.7 Not true, microscope objectives run to NA 0.8 (air) or 1.2 (oil-immersion) which boils down to about f/0.4 admittedly you need to pay about 5000 euro, they have up to 15 elements and the front lens is only about 3 mm diameter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 8, 2008 Share #173 Posted August 8, 2008 You can use an optical viewfinder with a Micro 4/3 camera and a fixed focal length, so an electronic viewfinder is not mandatory. I would like to see a good manual focus system, with a simple scale of distances easy to check. We are thinking on contrast autofocus, but a good solution for manual focus is very important, faster and maybe more convenient (for many). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 8, 2008 Share #174 Posted August 8, 2008 I would like to see a good manual focus system, with a simple scale of distances easy to check. We are thinking on contrast autofocus, but a good solution for manual focus is very important, faster and maybe more convenient (for many). ... ain't gonna happen you are not the targeted consumer ........... save the bandwidth. It's all about point, shoot , show and delete products or for the hardy a free photoframe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 8, 2008 Share #175 Posted August 8, 2008 You can use an optical viewfinder with a Micro 4/3 camera and a fixed focal length, so an electronic viewfinder is not mandatory... Sure, one can use a sport finder as well or chimp like everybody. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 9, 2008 Share #176 Posted August 9, 2008 ... ain't gonna happen you are not the targeted consumer ........... save the bandwidth. It's all about point, shoot , show and delete products or for the hardy a free photoframe Well, I disagree. The Panasonic LX3 has an optical viewfinder for 24mm angle of view. The Sigma Dp1 also has an optical viewfinder, and convenient manual focus... It is not so difficult to implement, for fixed focal lenses... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted August 9, 2008 Share #177 Posted August 9, 2008 Well, I disagree. The Panasonic LX3 has an optical viewfinder for 24mm angle of view. The Sigma Dp1 also has an optical viewfinder, and convenient manual focus... It is not so difficult to implement, for fixed focal lenses... It isn't hard to implement a zooming finder for rangefinders either. Contax did it with the G1 and G2 in the 1990s - 28mm to 90mm continuous zoom. Leica should have done it also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 9, 2008 Share #178 Posted August 9, 2008 Is there any need ........... a new consumer model will be out next year witha whole bunch of new teasers, wasted effort and expense doing more than the consumer asks or is told that he/ehe needs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted August 10, 2008 Share #179 Posted August 10, 2008 As i currently have a D1, D2 and L1 , I would really like my next Leica to be like..... (I make no apologies for the cut-n-past) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/59485-micro-43-an-alternative-to-digital-m-merged/?do=findComment&comment=624633'>More sharing options...
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