Dirk Mandeville Posted April 15, 2017 Share #1 Posted April 15, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I own an M9 and will soon own an M10. I have a wide selection of M mount lenses in the following focal lengths: 15, 28, 35, 50, 75, 85, 90, and 135. My photography covers the gamut from portraits to architecture to street to nature/wildlife/landscape to family snapshots. I like variety and having different lenses to suit different purposes. In that vein, I have a nice mix of modern and vintage lenses and a wide variety of focal lengths. At this point, the biggest gap in my lens selection seems to be in the range between 15mm and 28mm. I would like a modern lens to fill in this gap. So for my next lens purchase, I am thinking about getting either the 18mm or 21mm SEM. Just curious what people's thoughts are regarding the differences between these two lenses / focal lengths and the advantages / disadvantages of each, especially given my current selection of lenses. I could also consider an equivalent focal length lens by Zeiss, so that is up for discussion as well. Let me say that I don't bring all of my lenses with me every time I shoot. I pick a few lenses to take on a shoot based on my anticipated need for that day. The lens I am considering for this purchase would be mostly used for landscape and architecture. When I think I might need wider than 28 but don't want to go as wide as the 15. Speed of the lens is not much of an issue, but I want good sharpness edge-to-edge, good microcontrast, and low distortion. For reference, I currently own the CV 15mm (second gen, soon to be replaced with 3rd gen) and the 28 Elmarit. At some point, I may also purchase the CV 10mm or 12mm. Obviously, I prefer to spend my money on lenses rather than camera bodies. Any thoughts or insights are greatly appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Hi Dirk Mandeville, Take a look here Leica 18mm vs. 21mm SEM. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
james.liam Posted April 15, 2017 Share #2 Posted April 15, 2017 Can't speak for the 18; I've owned the 21 SEM for 2 years. Prior to this, a ZF 21 and 14-24 Nikkor. In comparison, the SEM is one for the ages. A design tour de force; compact, none of the color issues of the Summilux, and sharper into the corners at equivalent f-stops. Very modern 'look', if that's what you're after. Recall also that the 18 has no built-in filter thread in contrast to the M46 of the 21mm and is essentially an ƒ/4 lens. You already own a 15. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aperture 2 Posted April 15, 2017 Share #3 Posted April 15, 2017 I have the 18mm, perfect image. The fact that it covers 90 degrees is very, very helpful inside buildings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted April 15, 2017 Share #4 Posted April 15, 2017 The Super-Elmar-M 18 mm Asph is a very good lens. The Super-Elmar-M 21 mm Asph is an amazing lens–and it takes E46 filters. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted April 15, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted April 15, 2017 The Super-Elmar-M 18 mm Asph is a very good lens. The Super-Elmar-M 21 mm Asph is an amazing lens–and it takes E46 filters. If you could elaborate on this, I'm curious what qualities make the 18 very good vs. the 21 being amazing. This seems to be a common theme that both lenses are great, but that the 21 is the better of the two. Other than the filter thread, can you quantify what the differences are? Thanks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted April 15, 2017 Share #6 Posted April 15, 2017 I would not choose between the 18mm and 21mm on the basis of technical performance. They are both "as good as you can get at the size" lenses. So you need to choose on the basis of which focal length is most useful. (In my case, I find a 21mm wide enough, but use the 18mm for particular shots.). That said, the Summilux does allow more interesting low light / close up shots, if not the technical perfection of the slower lenses. So I'd get the 18mm and a 21mm Summilux. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 15, 2017 Share #7 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) If you could elaborate on this, I'm curious what qualities make the 18 very good vs. the 21 being amazing. This seems to be a common theme that both lenses are great, but that the 21 is the better of the two. Other than the filter thread, can you quantify what the differences are? Thanks. Well, Puts writes that the 21 SEM "has just a little bit more optical finesse." That should clarify things for you. Jeff Edited April 15, 2017 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted April 16, 2017 Share #8 Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) If you could elaborate on this, I'm curious what qualities make the 18 very good vs. the 21 being amazing. This seems to be a common theme that both lenses are great, but that the 21 is the better of the two. Other than the filter thread, can you quantify what the differences are? Thanks. Simply, the extra coverage is why I chose the 18. Can't wait to see what I can do with it in about 3 weeks when I take my setup to White Sands National Monument. Sunrise through the office window, with the M262.. [url=https://gmchappell.smugmug.com/Other/Leica-M262-Images/i-RjmL6f7/A][/ url] Edited April 16, 2017 by Gregm61 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 16, 2017 Share #9 Posted April 16, 2017 Simply, the extra coverage is why I chose the 18. Can't wait to see what I can do with it in about 3 weeks when I take my setup to White Sands National Monument. Sunrise through the office window, with the M262.. [url=https://gmchappell.smugmug.com/Other/Leica-M262-Images/i-RjmL6f7/A][/ url] Is that a straight or curved building? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted April 16, 2017 Share #10 Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) Is that a straight or curved building? So much distortion! On another note, at the office at dawn! Edited April 16, 2017 by michaelwj Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted April 16, 2017 Share #11 Posted April 16, 2017 Is that a straight or curved building? Definitely curved 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 16, 2017 Share #12 Posted April 16, 2017 Well, it's parallel to the street. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted April 17, 2017 Share #13 Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) The SEM 18 should be incredible on Digital M, but many less own that lens which is why it gets less love. When Sony mods are tested against the M240, the SEM 18 is one lens which is actually the same on the Kolari A7 v2 as the Leica, according to multiple sources. (Kasson and Digilloyd) That tells me the idea that it's a bit older and not as digital friendly as the 21 is not the case. Looking at the charts, the 18 actually seems a tad stronger, but somebody else may see that better. I have the SEM 21 and Zm18. The 21 is alot stronger on the far edge. But I really want a SEM 18. Edited April 17, 2017 by uhoh7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 17, 2017 Share #14 Posted April 17, 2017 The SEM 18 should be incredible on Digital M, but many less own that lens which is why it gets less love. Wait till you get Jaap in on this 18mm love-fest! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted April 17, 2017 Share #15 Posted April 17, 2017 Wait till you get Jaap in on this 18mm love-fest! haha, I found that out Well, Jaapv is usually correct. Another thing is the SEM 18 had a very high price for a time. Now you see them under 2k. I don't buy lenses that often anymore (I should sell a bunch), though I still don't have a FLE, 50 Lux, Macro-Elmar, or 90 cron. But there is one lens ahead of all of those for me: SEM18. The 21 is outstanding: Apparition by unoh7, SEM 21 A7.kolari but I shoot the 28 cron alot, and 18 is a better match. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted April 17, 2017 You guys are not helping me any. From what I gather in this thread, the 18 is a great lens, topped only by the 21, which is also a great lens, topped only by the 18. Seriously though, I am leaning toward the 21 solely because it is smack in the middle between my 15 and 28. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted April 18, 2017 Share #17 Posted April 18, 2017 Is that a straight or curved building? Isn't that Crescent Court? I once spent a couple of weeks there on an audit. We went over to the Stoneleigh P for burgers and a pint after work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted April 18, 2017 Share #18 Posted April 18, 2017 If I were you I'd get the 21 SEM. You could always crop your 15mm a bit to get a 18mm FOV. I'm thinking about trading my 21 SEM for the WATE. Never should have sold that lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted August 13, 2018 Share #19 Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) Buy both and return the one you like the least. Personally, I purchased the SE 18 to shoot architecture and interiors (churches, etc.). For the past four years, I have been a Fuji X shooter and the excellent Fuji XF 10-24 f4 lens has been my most used lens for my various travel vacations to Iceland, China, Japan and Europe. Since some of my favorite images were shot in the 10 to 14mm range, the Super Elmar 18 for my Lecia M10s was a no-brainer. I still own and use my Fuji X gear, but for my vacation to New Zealand and Australia later this year, I will be taking my 2 M10s and SE 18, Lux 50 and Cron 35 and 75 lenses. It all fits very easily in my Billingham Hadley Pro bag. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. Edited August 13, 2018 by budjames Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted August 13, 2018 Share #20 Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) Buy both and return the one you like the least. . . . . and you would not mind if it were you to be the next customer to get then the "new" lens that is not new at all? A lens that is not originally parcelled and that is full of finger prints? If I would get such a lens i would send it back I would propose to rent these lenses and try them out like that. Edited August 13, 2018 by Alex U. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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