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#21 colin_d

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 21:20

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Thanks for all the thought provoking feedback, fascinating stuff. When it arrives I'll check for the screw mark and anything else that might give it away as a goggled lens, as well as test the focusing distance and take some test shots at various distances. I suppose one option is to ask the seller to provide a set of goggles, but will they work on the ME or is that another blocker for me using it, I think this has already been decided.

It's a very frustrating thing, when I found the lens everything was going to plan until I noticed the discrepancy with the focus distance. I've notified the seller about the lens making it clear it most likely won't work but no answer as yet. Stay tuned.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 00:15

The proper LTM version of this lens typically sells for higher prices and sells very much more quickly than the goggled version, not surprising considering it's going to appeal to a wider set of users. Could be a reason for someone to pass it off as such.



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 02:57

The proper LTM version of this lens typically sells for higher prices and sells very much more quickly than the goggled version, not surprising considering it's going to appeal to a wider set of users. Could be a reason for someone to pass it off as such.

I'm not going to write the lens off completely just yet, but the weight of evidence at this stage is against it being usable. If it turns out as expected that it is indeed a goggled lens, then two things surprise me about this episode. Firstly the seller is a Leica specialist who has built up a large successful business dealing in Leica gear it would seem, it surprises me then with their experience they would not realise the lens is not in original state. Secondly given they have established a good well earned reputation, surely they wouldn't jeopardise it with something as obvious as this. It's all a bit weird under the circumstances. 

 

The lens wasn't cheap but it wasn't exorbitant compared to other similar lenses so that didn't worry me so much at the time.

 

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:41

... then two things surprise me about this episode. Firstly the seller is a Leica specialist who has built up a large successful business dealing in Leica gear it would seem, it surprises me then with their experience they would not realise the lens is not in original state. Secondly given they have established a good well earned reputation, surely they wouldn't jeopardise it with something as obvious as this. ...

 Well, mistakes happen when humans are involved. Do keep us posted on whether the lens focuses correctly or not. One questions, however, remains: If you intend to use that lens with an ME (or any other M-Leica for that matter), why did you go for an LTM lens?

 

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 11:05

I'm not going to write the lens off completely just yet, but the weight of evidence at this stage is against it being usable. If it turns out as expected that it is indeed a goggled lens, then two things surprise me about this episode. Firstly the seller is a Leica specialist who has built up a large successful business dealing in Leica gear it would seem, it surprises me then with their experience they would not realise the lens is not in original state. Secondly given they have established a good well earned reputation, surely they wouldn't jeopardise it with something as obvious as this. It's all a bit weird under the circumstances. 

 

The lens wasn't cheap but it wasn't exorbitant compared to other similar lenses so that didn't worry me so much at the time.

 

Colin 

 

I'm not saying the dealer mislead you but it's possible that the lens was sold to them as a normal LTM lens (dealers don't spot or check everything, there's plenty of examples on the forum of dealers sending out faulty gear to prove this point!).

 

I had the goggled version but use an M2 and got tired of the weight and the dimmer/distorted viewfinder image through the goggles after buying a Skopar to compare with - I found the results very similar in fact. It took me quite a while to find a buyer for the Summaron and it was a near mint/boxed example which I sold for average money.

 

Anyway, wait to get the lens then check it out and see what the answer really is!


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 12:24

...dealers don't spot or check everything, there's plenty of examples on the forum of dealers sending out faulty gear to prove this point!)...


Time ago I posted the hilarious story of a faulty lens than I had to return TWICE to one of the best known dealers (they fixed once - reassembled badly - then finally fixed all... by chance, was a Summaron...)
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 13:44

An aside to this thread, didn't Tom Abrahamsson take the googles off the Summaron 35 and mount them on a 21mm screw mount and it made a wide angle built in viewfinder for the M2 camera. In that way one could avoid using the expensive and easily lost 21mm slide on Viewfinder in the flash shoe. I can be corrected on this but I remember that he advertised to make this modification for Leica owners who preferred the extreme (at the time) wide angle perspective. Maybe that is where your googles went!

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 14:06

An aside to this thread, didn't Tom Abrahamsson take the googles off the Summaron 35 and mount them on a 21mm screw mount and it made a wide angle built in viewfinder for the M2 camera. In that way one could avoid using the expensive and easily lost 21mm slide on Viewfinder in the flash shoe. I can be corrected on this but I remember that he advertised to make this modification for Leica owners who preferred the extreme (at the time) wide angle perspective. Maybe that is where your googles went!

 

Yes, but with respect to the regrettably deceased Tom Abrahamsson, his Leitz-Canada-technician would be expected to have adjusted such constructed ltm-Summarons exactly before a sale.

 

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 15:30

They were even adapted to the Super Angulon 3,4 (btw, they also modified the bayonet to bring up 28mm frame on M6... indeed it's the right one for goggle : the "goggled view" of 35 mm frame is around 24/25mm)

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I hadn't thought of a relation with Abrahamsson and Muller works... but can be... they had surely had a discrete success with their 21s with goggles... can be that many of the "goggles deprived" Summarons do come from there... and maybe, for some reason, they didn't care about the Summarons after rework, unless on specific request...

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