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[fotografr]

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I'd love it if Meyer Optik would make this lens with an M mount, especially if they 6-bit coded it.

 

http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/lenses/object-desire-meyer-optik-nocturnus-50-f0-95-ii/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PDN%20Newswire%20Newsletter%20Template%2003162017%20(1)&utm_content=#

Edited March 20, 2017 by fotografr

[DMJ]

They might make it, but you will have to 6-bit code it yourself.

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[michaelwj]

Why?

There are plenty of fast M mount 50s already available, like the 1.1 Nokton at 1/3 of the cost.

[fotografr]

Why?

There are plenty of fast M mount 50s already available, like the 1.1 Nokton at 1/3 of the cost.

If you compare the bokeh of the two lenses, you'll see why.

[otho]

BTW, quite interesting : http://www.dyxum.com/lenses/Mitakon-50mm-F0.95_lens781.html

 

Mitakon 50mm F0.95

Also branded as: Meyer Optik (Nocturnus)

Mitakon (Sony E-mount) = 749,00 USD

Nocturnus (Sony E-mount) = 2.999,00 € !

[fotografr]

The Mitakon and the Meyer Optik Nocturnus appear to be completely different lenses. I read numerous reviews of the Mitakon and nearly everyone loved the lens but commented on the lack of sharpness wide open. Some also mentioned a lot of CA when shot wide open. But for $750, what can one reasonably expect?

 

The Nocturnus has a superb build quality and from what I've read and seen is tack sharp at 0.95.

[james.liam]

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Why?

There are plenty of fast M mount 50s already available, like the 1.1 Nokton at 1/3 of the cost.

Like the dude who always "needs" the fastest Porsche so that he travel between traffic lights a hair quicker than his friends.

[NB23]

Like the dude who always "needs" the fastest Porsche so that he travel between traffic lights a hair quicker than his friends.

It's not about speed. Those guys ususlly drive slower.

 

Please note that a super car that gooes 0-100 im 4.5 also goes 100-0 in 2.5. There is more pleasure in braking. Same as owning an exotic piece of glass: shooting at f5.6 will reveal its whole potential, best color rendition. And handling a unique lens is unique.

[Lord Lucan]

The Mitakon and the Meyer Optik Nocturnus appear to be completely different lenses. I read numerous reviews of the Mitakon and nearly everyone loved the lens but commented on the lack of sharpness wide open. Some also mentioned a lot of CA when shot wide open. But for $750, what can one reasonably expect?

 

The Nocturnus has a superb build quality and from what I've read and seen is tack sharp at 0.95.

Appear different.Thats the only thing differs. It is same as Mitakon,but in new clothings. The optics are supplied by Mitakon.

[ropo54]

Like the dude who always "needs" the fastest Porsche so that he travel between traffic lights a hair quicker than his friends.

 

 

Nope . . . some may also prefer going faster from 45-70, which can be a sweet spot!  Getting to the light faster, maybe, but ducking in and out of traffic can be quite thrilling. Some cars can do it, others cannot. The driver, though, can use the Porsche as he chooses - it can do both - and that is the thrill and beauty of driving the car. "Turning it on" when one wants to!

 

The noctilux does bokeh "uniquely", but it also can be quite a performer as a regular 50mm lens.  So, it is similarly talented as the Porsche is talented.

 

To each his own. If one is content accelerating smoothly and going with the flow, more power to him. If one wants the thrill of speed (or incredible braking!) at the time of his choosing, no reason to criticize him.

[michaelwj]

If you compare the bokeh of the two lenses, you'll see why.

Any other reasons? I'm only asking as your initial post gave no reason for why, so I could only assume speed.

[fotografr]

Any other reasons? I'm only asking as your initial post gave no reason for why, so I could only assume speed.

You mean, other than the $8,000 price differential?

 

From what I've seen and read, the lens has an excellent build quality, focuses smoothly and performs well both wide open and stopped down. I'd be delighted to put that lens in my bag for $3,000. As good as the Noctilux is, I just can't bring myself to drop $11,000 on a single lens.

 

I already own the 50mm Summilux asph and love it, but the bokeh of the Meyer Optik 50 Nocturnus is so nice I could see using it for a variety of projects.

Edited March 23, 2017 by fotografr

[wizard]

Appear different.Thats the only thing differs. It is same as Mitakon,but in new clothings. The optics are supplied by Mitakon.

 

The Mitakon lens has 9 aperture blades, the Meyer Optic Nocturnus has 15 aperture blades. The Mitakon lens stops down to f16, the Meyer Optic Nocturnus to f22. Seems that those two lenses may be similar, but are not the same. Even assuming the optics are the same, I would not be surprised if Meyer Optic applied a much stricter standard on optical performance by for example selecting only the best third of them all or by manufacturing to much tighter tolerances.

 

Andy

[ropo54]

You mean, other than the $8,000 price differential?

 

From what I've seen and read, the lens has an excellent build quality, focuses smoothly and performs well both wide open and stopped down. I'd be delighted to put that lens in my bag for $3,000. As good as the Noctilux is, I just can't bring myself to drop $11,000 on a single lens.

 

I already own the 50mm Summilux asph and love it, but the bokeh of the Meyer Optik 50 Nocturnus is so nice I could see using it for a variety of projects.

 

Once you have purchased a lens, it becomes pre-owned going forward.

 

Let me suggest this scenario: Buy a pre-owned Noctilux for $6500-$7000 and sell it within the next 5 years. What price do you imagine you might net?  Buy a Nocturnus new for $3000 and do the same.  Buy a Nocturnus pre-owned?  

 

I suspect that there is a good chance that purchasing the Noctilux pre-owned will prove to be a better investment.

 

Just something to consider for those contemplating alternatives.

[fotografr]

The lowest price I've seen for a used 0.95 Noctilux in good condition is $8300.

 

More importantly, I'm not convinced that the Noctilux is a better lens than the Nocturnus. I believe both are superb.

 

I should note that I have owned two Noctilux f1.0 lenses during the past ten years and sold both due to dissatisfaction. The focusing on both was quite stiff and the focus throw was so long I constantly missed shots because I couldn't focus quickly enough.

Edited March 23, 2017 by fotografr

[Lord Lucan]

The Mitakon lens has 9 aperture blades, the Meyer Optic Nocturnus has 15 aperture blades. The Mitakon lens stops down to f16, the Meyer Optic Nocturnus to f22. Seems that those two lenses may be similar, but are not the same. Even assuming the optics are the same, I would not be surprised if Meyer Optic applied a much stricter standard on optical performance by for example selecting only the best third of them all or by manufacturing to much tighter tolerances.

 

Andy

Yes,Andy,

Its designed by Mitakon and assembled by Meyer (Germany). I am sure it will perform better than Mitakon.

[Lord Lucan]

The lowest price I've seen for a used 0.95 Noctilux in good condition is $8300.

 

More importantly, I'm not convinced that the Noctilux is a better lens than the Nocturnus. I believe both are superb.

 

I should note that I have owned two Noctilux f1.0 lenses during the past ten years and sold both due to dissatisfaction. The focusing on both was quite stiff and the focus throw was so long I constantly missed shots because I couldn't focus quickly enough.

My Noctilux F1 is also  a little stiff,but I also treat is as a special lens requiring time to adjust focus etc.

Why not have a look at what 3D kraft has to say. He tested Noctilux,Summiluyx,Otus and SLR Magic with interesting results.

PS: Chances are that you may miss equal numbers of shots while focusing any of them. I dont think fast lenses are for grab shots.

[ECohen]

Once you have purchased a lens, it becomes pre-owned going forward.

 

Let me suggest this scenario: Buy a pre-owned Noctilux for $6500-$7000 and sell it within the next 5 years. What price do you imagine you might net?  Buy a Nocturnus new for $3000 and do the same.  Buy a Nocturnus pre-owned?  

 

I suspect that there is a good chance that purchasing the Noctilux pre-owned will prove to be a better investment.

 

Just something to consider for those contemplating alternatives.

 

While I completely agree with your post the fact that we could ever think of our cameras and lenses  as investments cracks me up.

 

I wish Leica's were cheaper so I wouldn't feel bad when I ding them up.

I'd pay 3k and use the heck out of it before I'd pay 7K and baby it for resale.

Now if I were making money with the lens that's another story.

[Lord Lucan]

While I completely agree with your post the fact that we could ever think of our cameras and lenses  as investments cracks me up.

 

I wish Leica's were cheaper so I wouldn't feel bad when I ding them up.

I'd pay 3k and use the heck out of it before I'd pay 7K and baby it for resale.

Now if I were making money with the lens that's another story.

I agree with you. I try to lookafter front and back glass and mechanics.Brassing here and there does not bother me.

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[ropo54]

The lowest price I've seen for a used 0.95 Noctilux in good condition is $8300.

 

More importantly, I'm not convinced that the Noctilux is a better lens than the Nocturnus. I believe both are superb.

 

I should note that I have owned two Noctilux f1.0 lenses during the past ten years and sold both due to dissatisfaction. The focusing on both was quite stiff and the focus throw was so long I constantly missed shots because I couldn't focus quickly enough.

 

 

Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but keep an eye on eBay and Fred Miranda sites. Noctiluxes will pop up in the price range I had suggested.  Whether you want one, or whether the Nocturnus is more preferable as a lens is your decision.

 

Market values may change, but historically the Noctilux value has increased over time.