250swb Posted March 4, 2017 Share #1 Posted March 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just received seven rolls of 120 CineStill 800T from the Kickstarter project! I'm looking forward to using this if it's as good as the 35mm. It has very fine grain and is perfectly usable in daylight, the tungsten shift is more like a colour bias towards cool rather than an outright blue, and a filter could be used to correct it anyway, but I use it in the natural state. Now just to decide which camera to load first, Rolleicord, Fuji 690, Bronica, ....damn, they all have film in already, I need to buy another. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 4, 2017 Posted March 4, 2017 Hi 250swb, Take a look here CineStill 120 800T now shipping. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MarkP Posted March 4, 2017 Share #2 Posted March 4, 2017 I hope this works out OK for you. I love the look of Cinestill ,especially daylight 50. However my new stock again had the shmootz (as Adam Miller would call it). I'm sick of losing great photos to faulty film and will not use Cinestill again until this is problem definitively fixed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted March 6, 2017 Share #3 Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) From the Q&A section of Cinestill's website: *************** Q: What is the shelf-life & archivability of CineStill Film processed in C-41 chemistry? A: Unexposed CineStill film should be stored in the fridge and shot within 6 months or frozen. Exposed film should be processed promptly in C-41 chemicals to preserve latent image latitude and color fidelity. Processed films should remain in a cool, dark place. C-41 process uses some of the most archival chemicals available for photo processing today. There have been no scientific tests for the dye stability of ECN film cross-processed in C-41 but from our tests on film processed four years ago there is no color degradation or fogging of the magenta dye layer. All current productions of CineStill have expiration dates on the packaging. If your film does not have an expiration date it is from early production and is likely age fogged. ************** For those who do not know, age fog = schmootz. This is from their blog on their website, which was also emailed to the purchasers of the alpha run of the 120 rolls: FILM’S WORST ENEMIES We field a variety of inquiries for people experiencing issues with their film images. As results continue pouring in from our CineStill 120 Alpha production, we expect even more, since we asked our Film Makers for their feedback. Below are seven common adversaries to film, and some tips for how to avoid them!Enemy #1. Old Age Before film is processed into permanence, it is perishable! Just like a carton of milk or fresh vegetables, there comes a time when consumption would be unadvisable. The same goes for film. There will come a point when unprocessed film may leave a bad taste in your mouth. .... This schmootz is EXACTLY what I have experienced on numerous rolls of the 50D 35mm film, including replacement rolls that Cinestill sent me in respect of schmootzified rolls that I got burned with. But whereas Cinestill makes it seems as though it will appear only after "old age," in reality "old age" really is just a several months. And then there is hypersensitivity to temperatures, which is a problem when comes to pre-purchase transport and storage. The 120 rolls of the 800T most certainly do NOT have ANY expiration date. How stupid is that?? What is more stupid is that we buyers of this are all guinea pigs in the sense that Cinestill is asking everyone to shoot their rolls and report back as to whether the film exhibits any of the MANY flaws that Cinestill has identified. I bought 12 rolls of this stuff and I didn't expect that I was getting half baked cakes that I was going to have to invest further in helping finish the baking process. I thought the rolls that I would be getting were going to be fully tested and market ready. Of course, in any first run there are bound to be growing pains and kinks. But Cinestill has made us feel as though we were along for the ride. So rather than investing more of their own money in completing the testing of their product, they took our money (for not only the rolls but also the development and (if applicable) scanning) and are effectively using us as independent contractors. They have said that we are supposed to get a discount on the fully baked 120 "cakes" once they hit the market. But me thinks we should get FREE rolls to the extent of our investment in the alpha run. This is FAIR. What they are doing is not fair. Sorry for ranting on your "high five boogy dance" thread, Steve. Edited March 6, 2017 by A miller 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 6, 2017 Share #4 Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Well that's been fermenting there for a while Adam :-) Like draining the pus. Always better out than in! But it's my experience exactly with both their 35mm films, including schmootz on newly supplied replacement film for my schmootzy (neologism no?) original supply. I like the word schmootzified too! This is all about blaming the consumer for product failure! I can no longer go out with a roll of Cinestill and be sure that the film is not schmootzed! Edited March 6, 2017 by MarkP 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted March 6, 2017 Share #5 Posted March 6, 2017 I did not support the Kickstarter on 120, I don't shoot a lot of colour in that format, but have shot about 5 rolls of the 35mm original Cine Still one roll more than 6 months post purchase and all have been technically flawless stored at UK room temp. I don't in any way doubt the frustrations felt by others but not my experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted March 6, 2017 I haven't had any problems at all with the 35mm films and I've used quite a few rolls of both types, some stored in a camera bag, some in the fridge. And did read the card CineStill sent out with the 120 about reporting faults, to which I thought 'what the heck, if it has faults I'll put it in my Holga and enjoy it even more'. Adam, it's about encouraging innovation, putting some money down to see where it leads for the company. And similarly I'm not so caught up in my 'serious' work that I can't play around with colour while having zero expectations other than to have fun and see where it takes me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 6, 2017 Share #7 Posted March 6, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Very pleased you two have not had any problems as I love the look of this film. I've just been burned too many times to risk it any more until the QA issues are resolved. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted March 6, 2017 Share #8 Posted March 6, 2017 I haven't had any problems at all with the 35mm films and I've used quite a few rolls of both types, some stored in a camera bag, some in the fridge. And did read the card CineStill sent out with the 120 about reporting faults, to which I thought 'what the heck, if it has faults I'll put it in my Holga and enjoy it even more'. Adam, it's about encouraging innovation, putting some money down to see where it leads for the company. And similarly I'm not so caught up in my 'serious' work that I can't play around with colour while having zero expectations other than to have fun and see where it takes me. Steve - i take my time and money much more seriously than i take my photography. And then there are those precious family photos from all too infrequent vacations. Mess with those on a grand scale multiple times and A loud and obnoxious critic you will make. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted March 19, 2017 Share #9 Posted March 19, 2017 First off, I really do appreciate how Adam has found a new and perfect use for the word schmootz! Schmootz is the reason why I stopped using the film, plus the halos begin to get tiresome. I did like using the 800T in daylight with a balancing filter, very nice results. But as you guys have said, I can't trust the film to shoot when its important to me -- and family time (vacations included) is number one in that regard, considering I am not a professional photographer. I am however interested in using the 120 in my Fuji 690iii, only 8 shots so my guess it won't be out between the fridge and processing for very long, and therefore minimizing the schmootz factor. Adam -- i absolutely agree with your rant. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted March 19, 2017 Share #10 Posted March 19, 2017 First off, I really do appreciate how Adam has found a new and perfect use for the word schmootz! Schmootz is the reason why I stopped using the film, plus the halos begin to get tiresome. I did like using the 800T in daylight with a balancing filter, very nice results. But as you guys have said, I can't trust the film to shoot when its important to me -- and family time (vacations included) is number one in that regard, considering I am not a professional photographer. I am however interested in using the 120 in my Fuji 690iii, only 8 shots so my guess it won't be out between the fridge and processing for very long, and therefore minimizing the schmootz factor. Adam -- i absolutely agree with your rant. Thanks, Steve. As I said, I am more than happy to share my dozen rolls of the 120 format. The problem nowadays is just getting it to you.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted March 19, 2017 Share #11 Posted March 19, 2017 Thanks, Steve. As I said, I am more than happy to share my dozen rolls of the 120 format. The problem nowadays is just getting it to you.... Yes I think we should wait until May when I am back in NY, and there is all that light the Fuji craves! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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