digitalfx Posted February 8, 2017 Share #1 Posted February 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...or so says Leica Rumors: http://leicarumors.com 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 8, 2017 Posted February 8, 2017 Hi digitalfx, Take a look here Level coming back in FW update.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 9, 2017 Share #2 Posted February 9, 2017 I went to the link. He considers 1.0.2.0 to be "upcoming," but it is in most of the cameras now in circulation. I'm told there is an improvement in the favorites menu capability that 1.0.2.0 brings, but it sounds as if there is more in the works. scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted February 9, 2017 what is the improvement? and why on earth hasn't Leica put 1.0.2.0 on the website?...its been in the wild 2 weeks now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vec Posted February 9, 2017 Share #4 Posted February 9, 2017 I think it makes sense. The camera obviously has some sensor since it can detect portrait v. landscape and bake that into the files. The chips to accomplish this are tiny: here's an example datasheet for something that would do the job: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/group0/72/cb/80/a7/5e/fe/46/9d/DM00153214/files/DM00153214.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00153214.pdf It's all of 4mm^3 -- 2mm x 2mm x 1mm. I wasn't even looking for small ones, this is literally the first on a search at DigiKey. I can't imagine a physical switch being much smaller than that. A cursory search confirms that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 9, 2017 Share #5 Posted February 9, 2017 Jono says it won't happen... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268421-the-little-things-we-lose-with-the-m10/?p=3208854 Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted February 9, 2017 time for a wager Leica Customer Service Rep 67:1 Jono 5:1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 9, 2017 Share #7 Posted February 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi there I really don't think so - I've checked up on this and I don't think the hardware is available Can I bet on mysel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 9, 2017 Share #8 Posted February 9, 2017 I'm in for a ten spot. Ask thighslapper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted February 9, 2017 Share #9 Posted February 9, 2017 Hi there I really don't think so - I've checked up on this and I don't think the hardware is available Can I bet on mysel? I checked too... the hardware is available but only from Leica Geosystems. This small device will be glued on top of hot shoe. The advantage over M240 is tremendous. You can see ALL settings, including level by looking down on the camera. https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Size-28-5-8mm-Alloy-metal-shall-Semicircle-Level-bubble-Liquid-level-Indicator-for-Total-Station/1960842_32552112578.html :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted February 9, 2017 I dug into the FW and found the code...I was able to get it working...see attached. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/269174-level-coming-back-in-fw-update/?do=findComment&comment=3209005'>More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted February 9, 2017 Hi there I really don't think so - I've checked up on this and I don't think the hardware is available Can I bet on mysel? NO...thats insider info. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 9, 2017 Share #12 Posted February 9, 2017 NO...thats insider info. Hrumph - clearly it's pointless to bet on myself if I DON'T know Now your telling me I can't bet on myself if a DO know. Sad state of affairs I'd say 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dempski Posted February 9, 2017 Share #13 Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I wrote Leica Customer Care on Jan 29 expressing my dismay about the missing level. I got the following reply on Feb 8, and sent the info to Leica Rumors. They posted the "rumor" the same day. Does this qualify as insider information? First I would like to apologize to you for the late reply. Due to the high level of many email inquiries we are here slightly in the delay with the answer. Be assured that we always try to answer promptly. I would like to thank you for your suggestions and criticism at the Leica M10. The missing horizon/level tool is in process and is integrated with one of the next firmware updates. If you have further questions do not hesitate to contact me again. Mit freundlichen Gruessen / kind regards Peter Brieger Leica Camera AG Customer Care Produkt Support Edited February 9, 2017 by dempski 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 11, 2017 Share #14 Posted February 11, 2017 I wrote Leica Customer Care on Jan 29 expressing my dismay about the missing level. I got the following reply on Feb 8, and sent the info to Leica Rumors. They posted the "rumor" the same day. Does this qualify as insider information? Hmmmm - thanks for this Demski - I'm pursuing further enquirers, mixed messages from the mother-ship! I'll come back here later on if I discover more (it'll be after the weekend now). Best 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiriusLux Posted February 12, 2017 Share #15 Posted February 12, 2017 That sounds good. Leica seems to listen to what we owners want and express. All the best. BTW: I really love the M10 but decided I won't get rid of the M (Typ 240), it is very useful to have two cameras with two different lenses on them. I never had this comfort before but really like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dempski Posted February 12, 2017 Share #16 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Hmmmm - thanks for this Demski - I'm pursuing further enquirers, mixed messages from the mother-ship! I'll come back here later on if I discover more (it'll be after the weekend now). Best Thanks, Jono. I tried to light a fire under my preferred vendor to use his contacts at Leica to find out, but can't seem to get him motivated. I've drawn a line in the sand over the electronic level, and don't plan to upgrade if there is no chance of it being included. If I remember right, Leica gave us the level on the M240 by a firmware update quite some time after launch. Keep us posted. My letter to Leica was a bit more complex than their answer. I expressed concern that the omission may be taken as a signal of Leica's retreat from support for wide-angle photography on the M platform. I believe people are being so strident about which features make it and which don't because they fear that with Leica's new ability to differentiate product lines, they may be shunted to the SL as has happened to video, or to an as-yet undisclosed new product. I've invested a fortune in wide-angle lenses for the M platform and don't want to hear there is a limited future for them on future M's. By the way, your reviews sold me on the SL and the 28 Lux. I especially appreciated your use of R and M lenses on the SL, in addition to the zoom. I don't know whether to thank you or send your name to my financial advisor for further comment. In either case, your photos are inspiring. Edited February 12, 2017 by dempski 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted February 12, 2017 Share #17 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I wrote Leica Customer Care on Jan 29 expressing my dismay about the missing level. I got the following reply on Feb 8, and sent the info to Leica Rumors. They posted the "rumor" the same day. Does this qualify as insider information? First I would like to apologize to you for the late reply. Due to the high level of many email inquiries we are here slightly in the delay with the answer. Be assured that we always try to answer promptly. I would like to thank you for your suggestions and criticism at the Leica M10. The missing horizon/level tool is in process and is integrated with one of the next firmware updates. If you have further questions do not hesitate to contact me again. Mit freundlichen Gruessen / kind regards Peter Brieger Leica Camera AG Customer Care Produkt Support I am very pleased to hear that, as the digital level on my Safari M-P is one of my favorite features - it is a great help when shooting with the camera mounted on a tripod. Now, back to figuring out a way to afford an M10 (without trading away my Safari kit)... Edited February 12, 2017 by Carlos Danger Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted February 13, 2017 Share #18 Posted February 13, 2017 I dug into the FW and found the code...I was able to get it working...see attached. Excellent. Same as my Zone 6 4x5 FW. Best it does not need a battery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 13, 2017 Share #19 Posted February 13, 2017 If the hardware is present why the heck did they leave it out? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vec Posted February 13, 2017 Share #20 Posted February 13, 2017 Software takes time. My boss wishes it didn't. But then I wouldn't have a job to pay for our cool toys. Specing what it should do, design, coding, testing the feature, integration testing to make sure nothing else broke. Or you could just delay the entire camera to wait for it. ;-) 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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