Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 23, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 23, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guys I'm on the fence as to whether to by the image print software as I just think I can achieve everything I need with Photoshop. All my printing is done via an Epson P807, I use Epson papers and have all the ICI profiles for the paper/printer already installed. I just can't see what I would need to spend $900 that would do something different for me or am I missing anything @Jeffs ?? If it can help me print better prints then absolutely I want it but I just need to understand what it can do for me..................I have had the demo version on my computer for a while now and it seems okay to work with but for some reason I just can't pull the trigger. If I m going to buy it then I need to do it now as I can get someone to hand carry it for me from the US Thanks Neil 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Exodies Posted January 23, 2017 Share #2 Posted January 23, 2017 I too have difficulty understanding what this software does. I get simplifying setting print driver parameters, which one can never take for granted. But that's just a minor annoyance. I get the supply of profiles but the paper manufacturers do a good job with that. Where do they add 1000€ of value? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2017 Share #3 Posted January 25, 2017 Very easy answer. If IP 10 won,t do anything for you and you are happy with the results from your existing workflow don't buy it. As for the cost,definitely not cheap,but as a % of my outlay on my hobby not a significant figure, which I am more than happy to spend. It really is as simple as that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2017 Share #4 Posted January 25, 2017 When you printed usi GuysI'm on the fence as to whether to by the image print software as I just think I can achieve everything I need with Photoshop. All my printing is done via an Epson P807, I use Epson papers and have all the ICI profiles for the paper/printer already installed. I just can't see what I would need to spend $900 that would do something different for me or am I missing anything @Jeffs ?? If it can help me print better prints then absolutely I want it but I just need to understand what it can do for me..................I have had the demo version on my computer for a while now and it seems okay to work with but for some reason I just can't pull the trigger. If I m going to buy it then I need to do it now as I can get someone to hand carry it for me from the US Thanks Neil When you made a print using the Demo version did you find it an advantage . If it did nothing for you in respect of work flow or print quality,don't buy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 25, 2017 Share #5 Posted January 25, 2017 I imagine such software would be very sensitive to driver and OS versions. Do you have to take great care updating your computer? Does the supplier react quickly to such changes? Do you have to buy updates? And nobody has yet said what the app does beyond driver settings and paper profiles. Or is that enough? Are the profiles so much better than others available? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynx Posted January 25, 2017 Share #6 Posted January 25, 2017 I imagine such software would be very sensitive to driver and OS versions. Do you have to take great care updating your computer? Does the supplier react quickly to such changes? Do you have to buy updates? And nobody has yet said what the app does beyond driver settings and paper profiles. Or is that enough? Are the profiles so much better than others available? I would argue that for me (MacOS) one of the benefits with IP is that It makes my printing workflow independent of the drivers and changes in the OS environment for printing. IP handles all this within itself and don't need support from the drivers. The profiles are very well made, I like that I have dedicated profiles for both color and B&W as well as different light conditions (viewing the prints). Yes it is expensive, but I really want to spend as little time possible in front of my (lovely) computer and I think that IP has great value in that regard. If I allready allready mastered printing, I probably would think twice though... //Johan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 25, 2017 Share #7 Posted January 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the replies. But what I'm looking for is what can image print do for me that PScc can't do?? Are the IP profiles different to say what I get from Epson?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 25, 2017 Share #8 Posted January 25, 2017 Independant of the drivers? So IP must be sensitive to the printer firmware. Do they react quickly to firmware updates? I'm beginning to suspect that this is a scam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fh1969 Posted January 25, 2017 Share #9 Posted January 25, 2017 I started working with IP V6. It was at a time where my Mac couldn´t print longer than 1.11m because of OS-restrictions. The only solution (then) was to use a RIP-software. I don´t know if the maximal length is an issue anymore? IP from V6 to V9 often had User-Interface bugs in the Mac-version (like Graduation-curve windows that weren´t updated properly...) but in general it worked very well and stable for handling huge pictures (500MB and up) and b/w conversions. The possibilities of greyscale-manipulations are remarkable (I don´t know what is possible now directly printed from OS, since I still use 10.6.4). Franz Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaPassion Posted January 25, 2017 Share #10 Posted January 25, 2017 Could you please elaborate on the benefits it offers for grey scale manipulations? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 25, 2017 Share #11 Posted January 25, 2017 Thanks for the replies. But what I'm looking foofr is what can image print do for me that PScc can't do?? Are the IP profiles different to say what I get from Epson?? Sorry, Neil, I've been offline dealing with system repairs and upgrades. The profiles offered are superior in my opinion, but you would have to try for yourself. In addition, IP offers several profiles for each paper choice, including gray scale as well as ones for different lighting conditions (daylight, tungsten, mixed, etc)....this can be helpful for re-printing files for display or exhibit under different lighting. I would have spent about double the cost of IP just buying custom profiling gear, and that's not including all the time and fuss to make custom profiles. I've mentioned my IP benefits in many other posts. I won't belabor, but briefly they include better soft-proofing than in LR (saves time and paper), easier workflow by not having to remember or deal with print driver settings (IP sets everything automatically behind the scenes....color management, platen gap, ink flow, etc), avoids all the issues that have creeped in over the years with the Apple/Adobe/Epson chain, particularly when new iterations are introduced (e.g., when Apple screwed up color management), and better profiles and prints. As with LR or PS, every iteration of IP offers some type of improvement or new feature. IP 10, for instance, incorporates a terrific final output sharpening tool that I find superior to my LR experience. The demo is free. If you don't find benefits, don't buy it. I did and find it an invaluable addition to my LR workflow (set up as an external editor in LR for quick access to printing after LR edits). Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 25, 2017 Share #12 Posted January 25, 2017 Sorry, Neil, I've been offline dealing with system repairs and upgrades. The profiles offered are superior in my opinion, but you would have to try for yourself. In addition, IP offers several profiles for each paper choice, including gray scale as well as ones for different lighting conditions (daylight, tungsten, mixed, etc)....this can be helpful for re-printing files for display or exhibit under different lighting. I would have spent about double the cost of IP just buying custom profiling gear, and that's not including all the time and fuss to make custom profiles. I've mentioned my IP benefits in many other posts. I won't belabor, but briefly they include better soft-proofing than in LR (saves time and paper), easier workflow by not having to remember or deal with print driver settings (IP sets everything automatically behind the scenes....color management, platen gap, ink flow, etc), avoids all the issues that have creeped in over the years with the Apple/Adobe/Epson chain, particularly when new iterations are introduced (e.g., when Apple screwed up color management), and better profiles and prints. As with LR or PS, every iteration of IP offers some type of improvement or new feature. IP 10, for instance, incorporates a terrific final output sharpening tool that I find superior to my LR experience. The demo is free. If you don't find benefits, don't buy it. I did and find it an invaluable addition to my LR workflow (set up as an external editor in LR for quick access to printing after LR edits). Jeff Thanks Jeff I hope all your issues are resolved..........I will be back home in a few days I will try some printing comparisons with the Demo and PScc and make my mind up then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fh1969 Posted January 26, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 26, 2017 Could you please elaborate on the benefits it offers for grey scale manipulations? Thanks. It produces very neutral b/w prints that can also be toned. As others have mentioned you can also use profiles specially made for different lightning conditions. There is also some sort of split-colour-toning but I haven´t used it yet. The so called "DCM" (Dynamic Contrast Matching) and Shadow-Point setting allows some further contrast control and "really black" blacks. As mentioned before, I don´t know how this all compares to this Greyscale-Printing-Mode (don´t know how it is exactly called) that the standard Epson driver provides now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 27, 2017 Share #14 Posted January 27, 2017 George DeWolfe, a respected b/w photographer/printer, compared various b/w print processes... including IP, Epson ABW, QTR, Piezography....using many different papers. He decided on IP for his workflow based on 5 key factors, including an explanation as to why the IP profiles tend to be more accurate than Epson profiles. https://www.colorbytesoftware.com/Ver10/Reviews/BandW_Master_Print.htm See last section titled Printing. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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