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Elmar 24 f/3.8: Is it any good?

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#1 BjarniM

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 15:48

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I'm thinking if i should by an Elmar-M 24 mm f/3.8, but have trouble to find out if the lens is good or not.

After all it's 2200 USD. Is it worth the money?

I can only find a few handful reviews online, and in this forum there are just a few posts about the lens. Therefore i'm think if this is a lens not worth the money or buying.

Any of you guys have hands-on experience with this lens?

Would love to hear from users that have real experiences with this lens. And maybe see some pictures here.

Thanks in advance.

Edited by BjarniM, 01 January 2017 - 16:19.


#2 UliWer

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 18:32

It is one of the sharpest and most contrasty lenses you can get with a Leica brandmark; for a wide angle it may be unsurpassed in this respect. Low distortion, no flare, vignetting is rather low. Of cause you have to put up with the modest opening - and 24mm is not too popular: too wide for many and not wide enough for others.
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Posted 01 January 2017 - 18:41

Any good?  Erwin Puts is extremely positive about it. If you can find one, snap it up!
 

The demanding and discerning user gets all the performance that can be required for exhibition type pictures of a very high calibre.

 

If you want a faster lens, the Elmarit 24  asph is even (marginally) better, meaning unsurpassed. Well, Uli is right too, both are ;). The Summilux 24 is of course a miracle lens, but on the heavy side.
 

I disagree about the focal length assessment. By taking one step forwards or backwards it can be used as either a 21 or 28. Very versatile.


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Posted 01 January 2017 - 19:04

Spectacularly good lens.

 

Renders in the more modern 'transparent' and higher contrast (but quite controllable) renderning of the newer Leica lenses. f3.8 is manageable being a wide angle lens. Although not ideal, it can be used without an external OVF by framing to the extreme edges of what you can see through the camera's OVF (x.72).  Can usually be bought at quite a good price as it's a less popular focal length.  

 

Some samples, as requested:

 

M240, 3.8/24 Elmar-M

 

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 19:08

M240, 3.8/24 Elmar-M

 

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 19:09

Monochrom v1, 3.8/24 Elmar-M

 

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 19:28

M240, 3.4/24 Elmar-M

 

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 19:30

Absolutely stunning lens.

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 19:31

M240, 3.4/24 Elmar-M

 

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 19:40

last one (for a while)

 

M240, 3.4/24 Elmar-M

 

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 20:36

As noted, very fine indeed. Too wide for my taste but that's the only reason I sold mine.


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Posted 01 January 2017 - 20:51

Cheeky question; I know it is no slouch but how does Zeiss ZM 25mm f2.8 compare against Leica finest 24s?
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Posted 01 January 2017 - 20:58

Cheeky question; I know it is no slouch but how does Zeiss ZM 25mm f2.8 compare against Leica finest 24s?


IIRC, the true focal length of the Zeiss is slightly north of 26mm, for one thing. It is reputed to be one of the highest resolving of the ZM lenses

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 21:18

IIRC, the true focal length of the Zeiss is slightly north of 26mm, for one thing. It is reputed to be one of the highest resolving of the ZM lenses


Thanks for that. I used to own lens once but it was damaged beyond repair (insurance paid towards new SEM 21mm) now toying with idea of getting replacement copy but wanted to hear voice of collective visdom of LUF beforehand.
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#15 BjarniM

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 21:23

Could we please stick to the topic in the headline?

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 22:21

Could we please stick to the topic in the headline?


Sure. The Elmer/Super Elmars are all superb performers. The 24 probably just a tad weaker overall than the world-class 21. Lloyd Chambers' subscription site provides exhaustive analysis and comparisons (to each other and Zeiss equivalents) and a worthwhile resource to help on the decision.
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Posted 01 January 2017 - 23:31

Could we please stick to the topic in the headline?

 

Not possible i the Leica Forum. Digression is a part of life here ;-)

 

Cheeky question; I know it is no slouch but how does Zeiss ZM 25mm f2.8 compare against Leica finest 24s?

Yes the 2.8/25 ZM is a fabulous lens but I replaced it with the 24 Elmar for consistency as it was the last of my ZM lenses of which I had four at one time. No regrets with the upgrade

 

The Zeiss has excellent resolution and contrast, minimal distortion, but colours the image a bit cooler than the Leica lenses.  The 1/3 stop aperture ring detents somewhat annoy me as I find it easier for the shutter speed dial and aperture ring to work opposite in 1/2 or 1 stop differences when adjusting exposure settings. I otherwise like the ergonomics of the ZM lenses and their bayonet mounted rectangular lens hoods.  

 

 

Sure. The Elmer/Super Elmars are all superb performers. The 24 probably just a tad weaker overall than the world-class 21. Lloyd Chambers' subscription site provides exhaustive analysis and comparisons (to each other and Zeiss equivalents) and a worthwhile resource to help on the decision.

I also have the 21 SEM. Again this is a spectacular lens (and a bit better for my liking than the ZM equivalents). I use 21 more than 24 but in day-to-day use it would be hard to pick the better lens.  They render identically to my eye.


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Posted 01 January 2017 - 23:39

Spectacular lens.
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Posted 02 January 2017 - 02:07

Sure. The Elmer/Super Elmars are all superb performers. The 24 probably just a tad weaker overall than the world-class 21. Lloyd Chambers' subscription site provides exhaustive analysis and comparisons (to each other and Zeiss equivalents) and a worthwhile resource to help on the decision.

I would trust Erwin Puts over Lloyd Chambers any time - by a wide margin.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 06:26

I would trust Erwin Puts over Lloyd Chambers any time - by a wide margin.

 

 

I suggest reading Lloyd Chambers first before knocking him. You would find that in this case, he would not be in the slightest disagreement with Erwin on the Elmar and Super Elmars, doing so with copious objective data to support the tangibles.




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