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I've been using Leica lenses since 1965 largely because Leica's lenses were the ultimate, the 'best', but time moves on and so does the interpretation of innovation for better or worse.  I am no long anchored to innovation,  best resolution, contrast or the APO, generation. I applaud Peter Karbe for his new lens designs that take design to the very maximum. His designs are inspiring - to designers. Whether they have aesthetic appeal is another matter to be determined over time. Somebody had to take lens to the ultimate, and Karbe has done it.

 

But improved technology has nothing to do with aesthetics.

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Hi Pico,

 

I understand your sentiment. I too prefer the look of the older lenses, they are also generally smaller (and more affordable), but I don't understand the title of the thread: "Radical Departure"? 

If anything, the progression towards lens perfection has been steady and inevitable, far from radical. Each successive generation has become technically better and aesthetically more sterile, but it has been an evolution, not a radical departure. Or is this a radical change in your thoughts?

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I've been using Leica lenses since 1965 largely because Leica's lenses were the ultimate, the 'best', but time moves on and so does the interpretation of innovation for better or worse. I am no long anchored to innovation, best resolution, contrast or the APO, generation. I applaud Peter Karbe for his new lens designs that take design to the very maximum. His designs are inspiring - to designers. Whether they have aesthetic appeal is another matter to be determined over time. Somebody had to take lens to the ultimate, and Karbe has done it.

 

But improved technology has nothing to do with aesthetics.

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So you're departing for what, exactly?

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.... I applaud Peter Karbe for his new lens designs that take design to the very maximum. His designs are inspiring - to designers......

...But improved technology has nothing to do with aesthetics....

Leica and so Mr. Karbe have to deliver in economical and according to enviromental and other restrictions what "the market" asks for:

 

economical: pressed instead of polished aspherics (note the price for the first 1.2 Nocti and first 35 Summilux aspherical!)

envirometal: no lead and further toxic heavy metal are allowed to add to the glass-compostion any more (Hassi SWC Biogon had to be recalculated e.g. to avoid the additions, although I never threw my Biogons into normal waste basket....)

 

Development in optics goes on and on: Leica's competitors are not sleeping, their quality is not that far from Leica optical performance and the distance shrinks.

 

Producing older designs without any changing will cause economical death in overviewable period of time.

 

So even if we elderly photographers don't agree in progress keeping our Mandlers (& Bereks) in high honour, times are changing.

 

Thomas

 

and YES: there is aesthetic property in some older lens: "Simpliness" of a 3 lens 15mm Hologon is not to overtower, Topogon excludet...;)

But digital sensors do cause the need of new technology.

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....

But improved technology has nothing to do with aesthetics.

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I agree that the technology as such has nothing to do with aesthetics. However, the result of the applied technology - in this case a more naturalistic rendition of the image - is a decision in aesthetics. It can be seen as a move away from some kind of impressionism, dictated by flaws in the the imaging optic, towards a "new realism", once again.

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Is there any difference between using a lens for its quirks or aesthetic properties and using the same Instagram filter over and over?

 

 

No.

 

All lenses have quirks and aesthetic properties, even the "transparent" APO ASPH 2/50. So if only using one lens is the same as applying the same filter over and over, then there is no difference. Generally a lenses quirks and aesthetic properties are a little more subtle than instagram filters...

 

Is using the same lens over and over a good or bad thing?

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Always using the same lens is like drinking the same wine to me. Sometimes i need objectivity, sometimes subjectivity, sometimes both. Great to have Mandler, pre-Mandler and Karbe lenses for that. Great also to have non Leica glass like ZM or CV. We are just spoilt for choice if you ask me.

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And I should add, the photographer and his/her ability to use it appropriately on the subject matter. I've actually given this topic some thought lately as I have been looking at a (very) few images which I would say are accentuated by current or Karbe designed lenses (21 SEM, 35 aspheric pre-FLE & 75/2) because they are of 'modern' subject matter which works well with the precise way these modern lenses operate. But such photographs are few and far between (I can think of 3 out of 50k perhaps, but there may be a few more - not a high percentage at all).

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Always using the same lens is like drinking the same wine to me.

Analogous to driving a high-performance car, there's also an argument to be made for first mastering the intricacies of the device you have in hand. You may not need to look further. Edited by james.liam
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Is there any difference between using a lens for its quirks or aesthetic properties and using the same Instagram filter over and over?

 

Of course there is a difference. A lens renders differently depending upon f-stop and subject distance.

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