IWC Doppel Posted August 15, 2016 Share #21 Posted August 15, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) When my copy was serviced by Malcolm Taylor he said that Leica's design for the mount wasn't the best and the best way to keep it 'tight' was to take as much slack up as possible and then use much thicker grease in that are. My copy came back with no slack and very smooth focus, it's a bit slacker than it was now but still much better than every other one I have tried ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 15, 2016 Posted August 15, 2016 Hi IWC Doppel, Take a look here Elmar 2,8/50mm. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
kengai Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share #22 Posted August 15, 2016 what does that mean "factory-coded"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 15, 2016 Share #23 Posted August 15, 2016 what does that mean "factory-coded"? A six bit code that is engraved in the mount to be read by the camera. Coded at the Leica factory. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted August 16, 2016 Share #24 Posted August 16, 2016 Just wondering....amongst this run of the Elmar M (black 11831/silver 11823), are their any optical differences between the earlier and the later 6-bit coded ones? Or between the chromed brass and black, aside from the weight? Given its tiny size, any handling advantages of the chromed brass over aluminium? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 16, 2016 Share #25 Posted August 16, 2016 No optical difference that i'm aware of since 1994. Some black copies had black barrels as well (pic) but silver and black regular copies have both brass helicoids AFAIK. Only significant difference is focus knob of the M6J version from 1994. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/263336-elmar-2850mm/?do=findComment&comment=3097285'>More sharing options...
KevinL Posted August 16, 2016 Share #26 Posted August 16, 2016 No optical difference that i'm aware of since 1994. Some black copies had black barrels as well (pic) but silver and black regular copies have both brass helicoids AFAIK. Only significant difference is focus knob of the M6J version from 1994. LeicaM_5028allbk01.JPG Whoa, I didn't know there were black-barrelled versions. Very nice! Must keep a lookout for one of those. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 20, 2016 Share #27 Posted August 20, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sure it makes sense. The Elmar (i mean the last one) has a special IQ that no Summicron i know of exhibits including the 50/2 apo. Matter of tastes but if you like that look your Elmar will tend to stick on your camera the same way as it does on both my M240 and Sony A7s mod. Yes put it on the camera and leave it there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2016 Share #28 Posted August 20, 2016 ... The Elmar (i mean the last one) has a special IQ that no Summicron i know of exhibits including the 50/2 apo. Matter of tastes but if you like that look your Elmar will tend to stick on your camera the same way as it does on both my M240 and Sony A7s mod. How would you describe the special IQ of the Elmar-M? More details? A more harsh bouquet? When traveling I like to take with the equally small and handy collapsible Summicron 2.0-50mm to use a reserve of an aperture when required at dawn or when visiting dark churches and museums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 20, 2016 Share #29 Posted August 20, 2016 How would you describe the special IQ of the Elmar-M? More details? A more harsh bouquet? When traveling I like to take with the equally small and handy collapsible Summicron 2.0-50mm to use a reserve of an aperture when required at dawn or when visiting dark churches and museums. Difficult to describe the Elmar or Tessar look. I've always preferred Tessar over Planar lenses with Rollei and Zeiss bodies and i retrieve he same feeling with the Nikkor 45/2.8. Compared to your 50/2 collapsible, the last Elmar is more contrasty hence giving the feeling or more sharpness and saturation but with a smooth bokeh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted August 20, 2016 Share #30 Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Difficult to describe the Elmar or Tessar look. I've always preferred Tessar over Planar lenses with Rollei and Zeiss bodies and i retrieve he same feeling with the Nikkor 45/2.8. Compared to your 50/2 collapsible, the last Elmar is more contrasty hence giving the feeling or more sharpness and saturation but with a smooth bokeh. Wondering about that myself. I once had a Nikkor 45/2.8. Needed to be stopped down to f/5.6 for adequate sharpness across the frame and I still can't say that I was all that enthralled by it. The tiny size was really cool, though. Edited August 20, 2016 by james.liam Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 20, 2016 Share #31 Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Better choose a Planar or Summicron design (a Summarit 50/2.5 for inst.) if sharper corners below f/5.6 is what you are after. Now i find the Nikkor 45/2.8 a pretty good lens even at full aperture personally. And it has the famous Tessar/Elmar look i prefer. YMMV. Edited August 20, 2016 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 27, 2016 Share #32 Posted August 27, 2016 I have a 1950 that likes like it was never used. Beautiful round diaphragm. Then a silver and black new version. Little different character, but nice. Pointy diaphragm. Someday I will compare bokeh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 27, 2016 Share #33 Posted August 27, 2016 Last 50/2.8 bokeh: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/263336-elmar-2850mm/?do=findComment&comment=3102772'>More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted August 28, 2016 Share #34 Posted August 28, 2016 I have a 1950 that likes like it was never used. Beautiful round diaphragm. Then a silver and black new version. Little different character, but nice. Pointy diaphragm. Someday I will compare bokeh. A 1950 would have been a 3.5 Elmar, as the 2.8 was introduced in 1957 with the IIIg. Perhaps you mean 1960? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spydrxx Posted August 28, 2016 Share #35 Posted August 28, 2016 Although I no longer own it, I was really impressed with how contrasty and sharp it was.When mine came I put it on my M6 and went out into the snowy trails nearby...was taken by surprise in a very good sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted August 28, 2016 Share #36 Posted August 28, 2016 Although I no longer own it, I was really impressed with how contrasty and sharp it was.When mine came I put it on my M6 and went out into the snowy trails nearby...was taken by surprise in a very good sense. Why'd you sell it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spydrxx Posted August 28, 2016 Share #37 Posted August 28, 2016 James - I ended up selling it for a couple of reasons....I already had a number of 50mm lenses, but mostly because I expected that the collapse would give me a more pocketable camera; what I found out was that (my example) the lens wouldn't stay collapsed, and often, unexpectedly, I would come near to hitting the forward edge on a surface when I was setting it down, thinking it was collapsed. Very disappointing. However, that certainly didn't diminish its superb picture taking characteristics. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted August 31, 2016 Share #38 Posted August 31, 2016 I had two of the late-model Elmars, a silver and later a black. Optically fine, but mechanically they kept getting wobbly. At first I thought the weight of the brass in the silver lens was exacerbating it, which is why I sold it on a black one, but that one kept getting wobbly too. What I also found was that with the dinky little shade attached over a filter, when it was collapsed it was almost the same length as my tabbed 11819 Summicron...which was a stop faster and didn't wobble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted August 31, 2016 Share #39 Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) How would you describe the special IQ of the Elmar-M? More details? A more harsh bouquet? When traveling I like to take with the equally small and handy collapsible Summicron 2.0-50mm to use a reserve of an aperture when required at dawn or when visiting dark churches and museums. Not necessary with the Monochrome though and btw I like it most on the Monochrome Edited August 31, 2016 by otto.f Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted August 31, 2016 Share #40 Posted August 31, 2016 A shot from last weekend with Elmar-M on M(240) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/263336-elmar-2850mm/?do=findComment&comment=3104972'>More sharing options...
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