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I feel some envy, because Hasselblad understood that they have to bring more lenses and ASAP.

Leica has not understood this, yet, for the SL. Good that Sigma is there to jump in.

 

But apart from that I am glad that I did not jump onto the X1D train. It keeps repeating that more is promised than really delivered. And I would not love the slowness of the camera - though some use this for an easing of tension (ZEN).   :D

The quality difference is simply too small for me. I guess in 3 years most camera systems will be on the far side regarding quality. And the Leica SL lenses will be prepared for that.

 

 

Not sure I understand.

 

Leica certainly realizes that the SL needs more lenses in its dedicated system and has announced four more currently in progress (three Summicron primes and an ultra-wide zoom) to release. Hasselblad has only formally announced one new lens on the way to release so far (the 120 Macro) although a statement made was that they're working on about five more, including the 22mm that I'm waiting for. 

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Hasselblad did issue a press release in February regarding four additional lenses for the X1D by the start of 2018.

 

http://www.hasselblad.com/press/press-releases/hasselblad-announces-four-new-xcd-lenses-for-the-x1d

 

Similarly, Leica announced 4 new SL lenses by early 2018 (looking at the chart, although Andreas' comment indicates in 2017).

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/264699-new-leica-sl-lenses-roadmap/?p=3114837

 

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Listening to all this bickering and "he said that and she did this", it makes me think that now would be a good time for Leica to announce the new S........with 77 pages of it I'm sure Leica could pick up quite a few new customers :)

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I haven't had my SL very long, but it's awesome. Yeah, it's heavy, but carrying 2 or 3 lens around and switching is a PITA too! The Hassy looks awesome and its game changer if a person values Medium format.

 

Many of the Hasselblad photogs seem to be a very technical/artistic ilk.  Unlike the Mamiya and Fugi crowd.

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IMO the Fuji is a brick and on top of that it is ugly.

The X1D looks like a camera should look like .

 

I have followed the main Hasselblad forum and several X1D groups on Facebook and have heard so far about one complaint that had to do with a problem of SD cards.

 

I cannot understand why the Calumet employee is making such a statement even when they have the X1D not on stock.

 

If I would be CEO of HaBla, I would have a strong word with Calumet about this unprofessional behavior!

 

just my 2 ct.

 

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One aspect where X1D hardly can match the Fuji counterpart  ;), is the number of lenses one can put on the GFX - R-lenses included. In this respect, GFX is sort of a medium format version of the SL: accepting a plethora of lenses. GFX with 100mm APO-Macro-Elmarit-R f/2.8 and APO-Telyt-R 280mm f/4, interesting for some, I would expect. Looking forward to Leica's next version(s) of SL and S - and the extent to which these bodies will respond to X1D and GFX and possibly other vendor's newcomers. In the mean time, I continue to enjoy the SL!

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This is what my wife thinks of my new X1D.............right out of camera :) :) :) :)

 

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A new pressrelease has been published:

 

 

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2017-03-28

Hasselblad Appoints Ming Thein as Chief of Strategy

 

Hasselblad, the leader in high-quality professional medium format cameras, today announced that Hasselblad ambassador Ming Thein has been appointed as Chief of Strategy.

 

During his former role as a Hasselblad ambassador, Ming Thein serviced industrial and corporate documentary clients across Asia and further afield. Based out of Kuala Lumpur, Ming specialises in representing the lifecycle of a company – from the people behind the creation to abstract beauty of the finished product – be it massive civil engineering projects, interiors or precision timepieces.

 

Location work is his forte, with clients including some of the largest developers and construction firms in Asia. Ming also holds an MA in Physics from The University of Oxford, and served as a director at various finance and private equity firms in Asia before quitting to pursue a lifelong dream of something visual, creative and specifically involving photography.

 

In his new role as Chief of Strategy at Hasselblad, Ming will use his customer experience insights to influence the future product roadmap, while helping to strengthen Hasselblad’s market position and meet the needs of semi-professional and professional photographers.

 

Speaking about his new role as Chief of Strategy at Hasselblad, Ming Thein said:

 

“I’m very excited to enter the next chapter of my relationship with Hasselblad; it is an honour to work with a brand that has such a strong history and such great people. I look forward to helping shape the company’s future product strategy to ensure Hasselblad continues to be a leader in photography, image quality and supporter of the arts.”

 

Paul Bram, Hasselblad CEO, said:

 

“We are delighted to welcome Ming Thein on board as our new Chief of Strategy. The combination of his skills as an accomplished photographer and a Hasselblad ambassador mean that Ming has expert insights into our target consumers. We look forward to working with Ming to help shape the future.”

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Phase One should respond by doing the same with Joey L.  I'm not really joking.  I love his portrait work and he comes across as a very genuine person.  And he is very honest and frank in his criticism of the camera systems he uses - which will probably disqualify him.

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:D 

They probably would better hire a few programmers to get up to speed fixing the firmware issues. Their strategy was actually their strong point, since they decided for the X1D. They needed no help there. While their X1D firmware/software is one of the weakest on this market.

Congratulations for this really important decision!

Certainly good for marketing...  But I wonder what Ming Thein will do with his time. After all the company has only very few products, is not really extremely expanding into new strategic directions, and AFAIK is rather small.

:unsure:  :wacko:  :p 

Divide their total revenue by the price of an X1D and you see how many they have sold at the max.

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I don't think the two are comparable...

 

 

A marked difference in tone for sure but both have essentially built a reputation based on testing lenses and blogging about cameras. It may be a clever move on Hasselblad's point to embrace the internet age in this way but I can't help see it as a little bit desperate, a bit of a roll of the dice not unlike the misguided attempt of the previous CEO to position Hasselblad as some kind of luxury brand. I appreciate Ming Thein is no mug but this appointment, assuming it is a proper executive role and not an upgraded ambassadorial post, devalues the brand in my eyes.

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A marked difference in tone for sure but both have essentially built a reputation based on testing lenses and blogging about cameras. It may be a clever move on Hasselblad's point to embrace the internet age in this way but I can't help see it as a little bit desperate, a bit of a roll of the dice not unlike the misguided attempt of the previous CEO to position Hasselblad as some kind of luxury brand. I appreciate Ming Thein is no mug but this appointment, assuming it is a proper executive role and not an upgraded ambassadorial post, devalues the brand in my eyes.

Thein is a photographer and actually sells his work along with the blog.

 

Huff sells his glowing reviews of gear on his blog along with ghost talkboxes.

 

Not comparable at all.

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