A New CCD Leica soon?...

[wilfredo]

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I'll be watching.  Some of us have a preference for CCD sensors when doing B&W photography so this will be interesting if it's true.

 

Cheers!

[mjh]

CCD is dead.

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[wilfredo]

CCD  News. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261704-50mp-ccd/

 

Edited August 1, 2016 by wilfredo

[TMorita]

I didn't read it carefully, but this might help.

http://www.teledynedalsa.com/imaging/knowledge-center/appnotes/ccd-vs-cmos/

 

My takeaway is that CCDs are better with infrared, which is particularly useful for machine inspection and sorting in manufacturing and warehouses, and that CCDs can be modified for particularly high sensitivity applications when speed of capture is not an issue.

 

In other words, this does not apply in any common photographic application.

 

I'm also pretty well convinced that the CCD vs. CMOS debate has more to do with the prioritizing of luminance sensitivity over color sensitivity over the last decade or so. Reducing the optical density of the color filter array is the culprit, methinks, not the sensor technology itself. Personally, I believe I perceive (note my lack of confidence in this judgment) higher noise levels at base ISO in modern cameras than in cameras from two or three generations ago, before the ISO wars. If that's the case, I'd be happiest shooting with a combination of a dark-filter camera (base ISO in the 50 range) and a minimal-filter camera (e.g., Monochrom).

 

Cheers,

Jon

 

My impression was that CMOS won over CCDs in camera for two reasons:

 

1. CCDs are kinda slow to read out the pixels, whereas CMOS can be very fast.

    So CMOS is better for mirrorless cameras because it reduces Live View lag.

 

http://www.techhive.com/article/246931/cmos_is_winning_the_camera_sensor_battle_and_heres_why.html

 

2, CMOS image sensors use much less power than CCD image sensors.

    This is less of an issue with a DSLR because it doesn't use Live View, but is a huge issue for mirrorless.

 

http://electronicdesign.com/automotive/cmos-challenges-ccd-automotive-image-sensing-applications

 

Also, it used to be that CMOS sensors had pretty bad image quality, but they caught up to CCDs fairly quickly.

 

Toshi

[XVarior]

Why do they use them, Pico?

 

I understand that in practical terms the CMOS based sensors provide live view, and many prefer the look of the CCD sensors (not sure I agree - in camera and post processing does a lot for final image quality), but I'm not sure I understand why some applications prefer CCD.  Weren't many top of the line video cameras also CCD?

 

But isn't PhaseOne still using CCD sensors in their Toprange digital backs? I think they do along with CMOS of course so photographers can chose. 

[Louis]

Well, although the pictures I received were not perfect, it seems the information was not that much far-fetched! 

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258835-leica-t2-first-image-%E2%80%A6-perhaps/

 

It is always helpful to know the right people!

[ramosa]

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New photos of said CCD camera: [url=https://prosophos.com/2016/08/24/updated-images-of-new-ccd-m-mount-camera/]https://prosophos.com/2016/08/24/updated-images-of-new-ccd-m-mount-camera/[/

Edited August 26, 2016 by ramosa

[Louis]

Well, although the pictures I received were not perfect, it seems the information was not that much far-fetched! 

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258835-leica-t2-first-image-%E2%80%A6-perhaps/

 

It is always helpful to know the right people!

 

A more recent photo (?) of the new T2 with some body corrections!... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252795-the-t2/page-10

As for the M mount, these photos are coming, but nothing is really sure yet!

[Kyros Moutsouris]

A joke has been officially announced with Leica Sofort, so higher expectations for Leica TL

Edited September 15, 2016 by cyrusthevirus

[indergaard]

My impression was that CMOS won over CCDs in camera for two reasons:

 

1. CCDs are kinda slow to read out the pixels, whereas CMOS can be very fast.

    So CMOS is better for mirrorless cameras because it reduces Live View lag.

 

http://www.techhive.com/article/246931/cmos_is_winning_the_camera_sensor_battle_and_heres_why.html

 

2, CMOS image sensors use much less power than CCD image sensors.

    This is less of an issue with a DSLR because it doesn't use Live View, but is a huge issue for mirrorless.

 

http://electronicdesign.com/automotive/cmos-challenges-ccd-automotive-image-sensing-applications

 

Also, it used to be that CMOS sensors had pretty bad image quality, but they caught up to CCDs fairly quickly.

 

Toshi

 

You forgot the number #1 argument for why CMOS become standardized over CCD though: Manufacturing costs.

CCD's costs a lot more to manufacture than CMOS, and require more technical finesse to produce. The yield rates are far less with CCD.

Edited September 18, 2016 by indergaard

[ndf9]

Hi, i'm not able to go to Photokina. 

 

So here is my question, what about a new M like camera with CCD from Leica or other manufacture with M mount? Any thing real, or at the end all speculations?

[jaapv]

As soon as the sun rises in the West... Well, maybe we'll see another crowdfunding effort - AKA get rich quick scheme.