mahakalaka Posted May 31, 2016 Share #1 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Gang, long time! Sorry if this has been discussed already (it has to have been, right?) but I couldn't find anything. Just wondering, what is the general consensus of the new 2016 35mm Summicron? Slightly less clinical than the previous one (not my words, I never owned one, but that was the word in the "street")? Or just same same but new? And fetching further, anyone have experience with this lens and the 35mm Zeiss 1.4? You have a favorite? These are the two I'm trying to decide between, but whichever I get, it will mean I have to sell something, and I don't have much left to sell, so I don't want to make a mistake! Any opinions would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Max Edited May 31, 2016 by mahakalaka 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter H Posted May 31, 2016 Share #2 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) ................................ Just wondering, what is the general consensus of the new 2016 35mm Summicron? Slightly less clinical than the previous one (not my words, I never owned one, but that was the word in the "street")? Or just same same but new? ....................... I may misunderstand the idea of "clinical" in this context. I take it to mean free of imperfections. What else could it mean? May I ask what you understand it to mean, and how then could a new lens, assuming it to be an improvement, be less clinical? Edited May 31, 2016 by Peter H Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahakalaka Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted May 31, 2016 I guess it's one of those things that's hard to put in words, cause everyone will read them differently. But compared to many other Leica lenses, the old 35mm Summicron ASPH had a reputation of being very sharp, but lacked in character. No glow or "magic". Lol, how is that for a description? Anyways, I'm really just wondering if the new one has a different look, or if it's the same but with a different hood and minor adjustments? 11 aperture blades instead of 8 should mean something, I'm just not sure what. Apparently the out of focus area should be smoother? But again, I'm more interested in hearing if anyone has any thoughts on the general look. Cheers 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 31, 2016 Share #4 Posted May 31, 2016 Me too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted May 31, 2016 Share #5 Posted May 31, 2016 Much written about the 28s and nothing, as far as I can find, about the 35. Strange silence. If it were more than just a few extra aperture blades, Leica would be crowing and samples seeded to a few trend setters to spread the word. This does not seem to be the case. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim0266 Posted June 1, 2016 Share #6 Posted June 1, 2016 I just sent back the ZM 35/1.4 after a 4-day rental. I also own the 35/2 ASPH (purchased around 2006) and the Zeiss 35/2.8. Optically the ZM/1.4 was impressive and the build and feel were impressive as well. The downside was the size. It's a big, heavy lens and blocks a decent portion of the VF. If you live at 1.4 and f2 and don't mind the size, it's a fantastic option to the Leica 35/1.4 ASPH. 35 is my main focal length and toyed with the idea of selling my ASPH and getting the 1.4 to have a small, compact 35 and a fast 35. Consider the ZM 35/2 too. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 1, 2016 Share #7 Posted June 1, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks Jim, but this is about the very recent 35mm Summicron release. Anyone tried it yet, or know about how it differs from the previous ASPH version that many of us are familiar with? Are the only differences the aperture blades and the hood? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkB17 Posted June 1, 2016 Share #8 Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) I asked the same question in the German part of the forum and despite a considerable amount of 352 viewers in two weeks I reveived no answer. So it seems that the 2016 version of the 35/2 ASPH has not yet been sold or reviewed... Edited June 1, 2016 by DirkB17 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted June 1, 2016 Share #9 Posted June 1, 2016 If I have understood it correctly, there is no change in the optical formula on this one as opsed to the 28s, only the aperture blades. So the color rendering and sharpness should be the same. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahakalaka Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted June 1, 2016 Thanks for the replies! Think I'm just going to bite the bullet and get the new Summicron. I'm sure I'll be happy with it, even if it is basically the same as before. In any case, it will be different from my copy of the V3 35mm Summicron. Cheers, Max Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 1, 2016 Share #11 Posted June 1, 2016 I saw this same question on another forum. It seems there are no test reports or comparisons as yet. Apparently the only change in design which will make a difference is the increase in aperture blades so you should see rounder OOF highlights. The rest is AFAIK cosmetic. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 1, 2016 Share #12 Posted June 1, 2016 I saw this same question on another forum. It seems there are no test reports or comparisons as yet. Apparently the only change in design which will make a difference is the increase in aperture blades so you should see rounder OOF highlights..... Only when stopped down, presumably. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 1, 2016 Share #13 Posted June 1, 2016 MTF graphs look identical on Leica's technical data: LeicaM_3520a_v1-v2_specs_p03.pdf 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaticB Posted June 1, 2016 Share #14 Posted June 1, 2016 I got mine 35/2 Summicron new version 3 weeks ago. Hard to say if there is evident improvement in comparison with previous version, but lens is definitely very nice. Her is one picture: http://www.pbase.com/matijabarbic/image/163320185 Matic 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted June 1, 2016 Share #15 Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) In French, but only about the out of focus area, not about the corners. On the SL. http://www.leica.paris-montmartre.fr/l1/p334-35-F2-Asph-35-F2-Asph-V2016.html Edited June 1, 2016 by Leicaiste 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 1, 2016 Share #16 Posted June 1, 2016 Only when stopped down, presumably. Indeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 1, 2016 Share #17 Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) FWIW, Jono reviewed the old vs new 28 Summicron (on the SL)... http://www.slack.co.uk/leica-m-resolution.html Haven't seen anything similar for the 35. Jeff Edited June 1, 2016 by Jeff S 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayek Posted June 1, 2016 Share #18 Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) 11 blades vs 8 blades...same optical design. Probably new coatings. Different vintages of the same cru. Edited June 1, 2016 by Hayek 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2016 Share #19 Posted June 2, 2016 FWIW, Jono reviewed the old vs new 28 Summicron (on the SL)... http://www.slack.co.uk/leica-m-resolution.html Haven't seen anything similar for the 35. Jeff Hi There Jeff Andreas has just put the 28 report on the blog here as well ( http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2016/06/old-new-leica-28mm-summicron-asph/ ) I did do a comparison of the old and new 35 lenses last year - but the new lens was a prototype, so I couldn't post it. However, I couldn't see any difference between the 2, either at close quarters or at infinity. I also tried to see the difference in the bokeh with the extra aperture blades, and I couldn't see anything there either (but I didn't try THAT hard ) As I understand it the Aperture blades and the new lens hood are the only differences - I'm not even aware of the coatings having changed. The 28 Elmarit on the other hand has improved nearly as much as the 28 summicron. All the best Jono 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayek Posted June 2, 2016 Share #20 Posted June 2, 2016 Thanks for the update, Jono. Disappointing news for the messes (with the exception of "lct" and his/her focus shift-less copy ). Essentially new housing for an amortized optical cell? Maybe it's a transitional piece until the next M beams down to Earth. I am compelled to quote...myself: 11 blades vs 8 blades...same optical design. Probably new coatings. Different vintages of the same cru. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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