jaapv Posted May 22, 2016 Share #21 Posted May 22, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) No - technically no difference, just in collectors' perception. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gyoung Posted May 23, 2016 Share #22 Posted May 23, 2016 Biggest 'difference' was in price if you happened to live in Canada or UK, due to favourable tarifs. I bought my 35mm Summicron for M3 at only $8 Canadian more than the Summaron 2.8 in '68 in Montreal. Same bargain to be had in the uk. I think the Summicron is better than the Summaron for virtually the same money. Gerry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertrandLeBris Posted February 3, 2017 Share #23 Posted February 3, 2017 Hello, I think there is two way: for the "purist" :-) there is only one" made in germany" but if you are looking close the Elcan factory was extraordinary and talents managed the production. For cost price few lenses was made in Canada with no compromise, more over for cost price, few of lenses was made in Canada and the final result was assembled in Germany, so they can apply on final product "made in Germany" but few internal lenses was design and producted in Canada! so few made in Germany was part product in Canada!! The special skills of this product unit was amazing : they create and product the complex high refractive index (>1.9) lens in very special and expensive glass of the Noctilux during few years. Germany product unit didn't had this unit.. All noctilux was "made in Canada" except new product. Now elcan is a military product unit and a division of Raython. In both case you have excellence in your hand! The only visible difference will be what you create with this amazing tools ! Have a nice day Bertrand 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 3, 2017 Share #24 Posted February 3, 2017 I would imagine marketing people love when customers drool over Made in Germany, commands prestige and premium and sells like a hot cakes, brand loving Far Eastern markets and elsewhere cant get enough - to go with Mont Blanc fountain pens, premium Swiss mechanical watches and premium leather goods. Today, Canada is not involved in current Leica offering for general public, there may be collaboration going on but we are not told. So how about this, lot of Leica gear labelled "Made in Germany" is mostly put together in Portugal with finishing touches in Germany, legally correct but high percentage done by a Portuguese hand. Note, lot of top end high tech stuff is manufactured in China, prime example Apple phones, tablets and computers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertrandLeBris Posted February 3, 2017 Share #25 Posted February 3, 2017 Concerning China, unfortunatly people from Foxcon who product Iphone have a poor life. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted February 4, 2017 Share #26 Posted February 4, 2017 And most of the Canadian 50mm f/1 Noctilux run (actually introduced 1976 - s/n probably about 27-something). As far as I know, all the Noctilux f1 were made in Canada. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnySeven Posted March 28, 2017 Share #27 Posted March 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I love finding old banged up Leica lenses and Ive owned several summicrons. 50mm, 35mm, 90mm and 135mm Canadian and German. I've noticed that the Canadian lenses seem to be standing the test of time a little more gracefully. My conclusions are far from scientific but I've noticed that the Midland lenses even when worn and beaten to hell seem to keep their smoothness and "sharp clickieness" more than their German cousins. Again, my conclusions are not scientific its just something that I've noticed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 28, 2017 Share #28 Posted March 28, 2017 Wasn't there some differences between Canada and German production of mandlers V4 35mm summicron ? The German being better. No. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 28, 2017 Share #29 Posted March 28, 2017 Both Canadian 35/2 v4 with "tiger claw" focus tab below. No German copy has been reported doing that as far as i recall but i may be wrong. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/259654-canadian-made-vs-german-made/?do=findComment&comment=3243463'>More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted March 28, 2017 Share #30 Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) And, one needs to remember that all those "Mandler" lenses were designed by a Canadian, in Midland, Ontario, Canada. Some lenses were assembled off-shore in Germany Jean-Michel Edited March 28, 2017 by Jean-Michel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnySeven Posted March 29, 2017 Share #31 Posted March 29, 2017 I was in Midland recently and took a drive by the old Leica plant. Its still going strong, its a bit of an armed camp because of the military optics that are produced there now. I wonder if there's and old closet somewhere full of NOS summicrons, M4's and KE7A's stashed away. Probably not but its a nice thought. Check out "450 Leritz Rd. Midland Ontario"on google earth to see how it looks these days. The Elcan battle sight comes from this plant. I don't think they're too concerned with pretty bokeh with these optics. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/259654-canadian-made-vs-german-made/?do=findComment&comment=3243850'>More sharing options...
james.liam Posted March 29, 2017 Share #32 Posted March 29, 2017 I was in Midland recently and took a drive by the old Leica plant. Its still going strong, its a bit of an armed camp because of the military optics that are produced there now. I wonder if there's and old closet somewhere full of NOS summicrons, M4's and KE7A's stashed away. Probably not but its a nice thought. Check out "450 Leritz Rd. Midland Ontario"on google earth to see how it looks these days. The Elcan battle sight comes from this plant. I don't think they're too concerned with pretty bokeh with these optics. But I'd bet they are interested in APO correction. Especially when a nasty is almost a kilometer downrange. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted March 29, 2017 Share #33 Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) I was in Midland recently and took a drive by the old Leica plant. Its still going strong, its a bit of an armed camp because of the military optics that are produced there now. I wonder if there's and old closet somewhere full of NOS summicrons, M4's and KE7A's stashed away. Probably not but its a nice thought. Check out "450 Leritz Rd. Midland Ontario"on google earth to see how it looks these days. The Elcan battle sight comes from this plant. I don't think they're too concerned with pretty bokeh with these optics.Interesting to see the light on that rifle - Novatac hasent existed for at least 5 years.A great light while they were USA made, very quickly turned to junk when they moved production to china. Glad henry (the designer) is back producing his improved version in the USA in small batches Edited March 29, 2017 by Echo63 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnySeven Posted April 1, 2017 Share #34 Posted April 1, 2017 I always chuckle when i see guys putting lights on their AR's. When i was a little green monster running around with a c7 (canadian AR varient) the last thing i wanted was a bright light telling the world where i was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phovsho Posted April 9, 2017 Share #35 Posted April 9, 2017 When I bought my M 75 lux back in the very late 90s I had the choice between a Canadian or German copy. I was told that optically they are identical, but the German was more expensive but also smaller. I don't know if that was true and I can't recall if I compared the two lenses side by side. I bought the Canadian copy. Love it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9, 2017 Share #36 Posted April 9, 2017 The later Canadian (11815) and German (11810) versions of the Summilux 75/1.4 have the same size AFAIK but i have no experience with the 11810. I have no experience with the earlier 11814 (Canada) either but it has the same length of 80mm according to the Leica specs. The 11814 is slimmer and lighter due to the lack of built-in hood though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted April 9, 2017 Share #37 Posted April 9, 2017 I would imagine marketing people love when customers drool over Made in Germany, commands prestige and premium and sells like a hot cakes, brand loving Far Eastern markets and elsewhere cant get enough - to go with Mont Blanc fountain pens, premium Swiss mechanical watches and premium leather goods. Today, Canada is not involved in current Leica offering for general public, there may be collaboration going on but we are not told. So how about this, lot of Leica gear labelled "Made in Germany" is mostly put together in Portugal with finishing touches in Germany, legally correct but high percentage done by a Portuguese hand. Note, lot of top end high tech stuff is manufactured in China, prime example Apple phones, tablets and computers. The enormous psychological power of branding. My MP ALC works beautifully but I'd hoped it would come with a bottle of Fonseca. 8^( s-a Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted April 9, 2017 Share #38 Posted April 9, 2017 When I bought my M 75 lux back in the very late 90s I had the choice between a Canadian or German copy. I was told that optically they are identical, but the German was more expensive but also smaller. I don't know if that was true and I can't recall if I compared the two lenses side by side. I bought the Canadian copy. Love it. The German was only a bit lighter due to some internal changes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 9, 2017 Share #39 Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) When I bought my M 75 lux back in the very late 90s I had the choice between a Canadian or German copy.[...] The 75mm Summilux versions were mechanically quite different, although I do not know if they were optically different. An interesting difference was their focusing activator. I have version 1 and it is just fine. I've no idea why Leica made two different versions. FWIW, each version's activating surface moves only forward/back, IOW, like the single tab. Edited April 9, 2017 by pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted April 9, 2017 Share #40 Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) The 75mm Summilux versions were mechanically quite different, although I do not know if they were optically different. An interesting difference was their focusing activator. I have version 1 and it is just fine. I've no idea why Leica made two different versions. FWIW, each version's activating surface moves only forward/back, IOW, like the single tab. The German 75/1,4 was version 3. Similar to the Canadian version 2 but lighter. The 3 versions share the same optical design. Only the version 1 with the separate lens shade had that straight cam. Edited April 9, 2017 by Leicaiste Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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