xiaubauu2009 Posted April 13, 2016 Share #1 Posted April 13, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is there a rumor that there will be support for DNG on Capture One Pro 9 for Leica S files? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 13, 2016 Posted April 13, 2016 Hi xiaubauu2009, Take a look here Rumor about possible support on Capture One 9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
erlingmm Posted April 13, 2016 Share #2 Posted April 13, 2016 No Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
349A Posted April 13, 2016 Share #3 Posted April 13, 2016 Now there is. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 13, 2016 Share #4 Posted April 13, 2016 Let me elaborate: There have been requests for C1 support to Leica S, but since C1 and PhaseOne are linked, other MF cameras are not supported, as they are seen as competitors. Other cameras, including Leicas are supported as they are not regarded competing. I have heard that Leica SL is supported only because someone loaned a SL to C1. I would assume there is not a strong relationship between C1 and Leica, you may remember that the M8 was originally shipped with C1 but Leica changed to Adobe and LR later. Personally I would love to have the S supported, and I think it is not serving C1/P1 well that they exclude it. C1 actually works OK with S files, but you only have the DNG Neutral profile as a starting point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share #5 Posted April 13, 2016 Let me elaborate: There have been requests for C1 support to Leica S, but since C1 and PhaseOne are linked, other MF cameras are not supported, as they are seen as competitors. Other cameras, including Leicas are supported as they are not regarded competing. I have heard that Leica SL is supported only because someone loaned a SL to C1. I would assume there is not a strong relationship between C1 and Leica, you may remember that the M8 was originally shipped with C1 but Leica changed to Adobe and LR later. Personally I would love to have the S supported, and I think it is not serving C1/P1 well that they exclude it. C1 actually works OK with S files, but you only have the DNG Neutral profile as a starting point. I agree! C1 is just so much better in handling of RAW files... (DNG I am sure as well)... I get some pretty funky colour in C1 on S files... not sure how to fix it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted April 13, 2016 Share #6 Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) The S007 files can be opened and processed in C1v9, using the default built-in Adobe DNG profile. The colours are actually not bad at all; I'd say often comparable to what I get from LR CC. But of course there are no lens profiles in C1 and I am not sure what else is lacking in terms of detail, DR, noise etc. Interestingly, when processing files form the M, I can see only a "Summicron 50" profile, without even stating which Summicron 50. So is the S "not supported" and the M "supported"? Or is it all just marketing talk, with Phase One proudly "not supporting" a competitor's "MF" camera, while they are actually "sort of supporting" it or rather "not being 100% able not to support it" as Leica uses an open standard DNG profile that Phase One have to support by default? Whichever it is, Phase One should just stop being silly and support the S properly. It is bad enough for me to deal with the confusing catalog implementation in C1. I have upgraded all the way to v9 despite that but I swear I will not pay for the next upgrade unless the S is officially and fully supported. Edited April 13, 2016 by albireo_double 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocean2059 Posted April 14, 2016 Share #7 Posted April 14, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have also been using C1v9 recently and I really like it better than LR. I totally agree that it's silly for C1 not to provide Leica S006/007 and Leica lens profiles. I only still use LR because of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 14, 2016 Share #8 Posted April 14, 2016 I agree! C1 is just so much better in handling of RAW files... (DNG I am sure as well)... I get some pretty funky colour in C1 on S files... not sure how to fix it... By making your own colour profile, using a Color Checker Passport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 14, 2016 Share #9 Posted April 14, 2016 By making your own colour profile, using a Color Checker Passport. How do you do that in C1, jaapv? I have tried to research it, and it seems to be extremely complex, requiring some additional sw and code. If you can explain, it would be greatly appreciated. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted April 17, 2016 Share #10 Posted April 17, 2016 How do you do that in C1, jaapv? I have tried to research it, and it seems to be extremely complex, requiring some additional sw and code. If you can explain, it would be greatly appreciated. Shoot the color checker then use auto adjust to create a profile..like this > https://robertharringtonstudios.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/the-x-rite-color-checker-passport-and-capture-one/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 17, 2016 Share #11 Posted April 17, 2016 Shoot the color checker then use auto adjust to create a profile..like this > https://robertharringtonstudios.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/the-x-rite-color-checker-passport-and-capture-one/ This is fairly old, but might still work, have you tried it on the latest version? But it does not create a profile for the camera, it has to be repeated for each import? Or can it be stored as a reference, and then be used for each import? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted April 17, 2016 Share #12 Posted April 17, 2016 This is fairly old, but might still work, have you tried it on the latest version? But it does not create a profile for the camera, it has to be repeated for each import? Or can it be stored as a reference, and then be used for each import? I will try it again tomorrow with the latest version of C1P and my 007, it is old but i do use it a lot and yes you have to shoot a color checker for every shoot although if you shoot in a studio y=I think you can use this http://blog.phaseone.com/tweak-the-default-color-look-of-your-camera/ I havent been using C1P as much lately but I will try this out!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 17, 2016 Share #13 Posted April 17, 2016 I will try it again tomorrow with the latest version of C1P and my 007, it is old but i do use it a lot and yes you have to shoot a color checker for every shoot although if you shoot in a studio y=I think you can use this http://blog.phaseone.com/tweak-the-default-color-look-of-your-camera/ I havent been using C1P as much lately but I will try this out!! This looks interesting, but: Excuse my confusion, is it implicit in this article that the picture is taken with a camera that is already supported by C1? In that case this is more a "tweak" than a full profile? Can this method be combined with your previous suggestion to create a full profile for a new camera, not supported by C1 (S007)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted April 17, 2016 Share #14 Posted April 17, 2016 This looks interesting, but: Excuse my confusion, is it implicit in this article that the picture is taken with a camera that is already supported by C1? In that case this is more a "tweak" than a full profile? Can this method be combined with your previous suggestion to create a full profile for a new camera, not supported by C1 (S007)? Yes, AFAIK just make any further adjustments and then save the profile in the color editor,it doesn't have to be an officially supported camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 18, 2016 Share #15 Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) Well, I did it. I imported an X-rite picture taken with the S007, cropped it to cover only the color samples. adjusted white balance with dropper, auto adjusted in C1, saved it as ICC profile. Slight difference from DNG neutral, a bit more contrast and color punch, but not much. I could not find out how to make it default for the camera, though, imported images from the S007 still come up with DNG Neutral, and the new ICC profile is stored under "Other" Edited April 18, 2016 by erlingmm 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 18, 2016 Share #16 Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) Well, I did it. I imported an X-rite picture taken with the S007, cropped it to cover only the color samples. adjusted white balance with dropper, auto adjusted in C1, saved it as ICC profile. Slight difference from DNG neutral, a bit more contrast and color punch, but not much. I could not find out how to make it default for the camera, though, imported images from the S007 still come up with DNG Neutral, and the new ICC profile is stored under "Other" ....and the reason for this is that C1 recognizes the S007 from the EXIF, but you cannot save a new ICC profile for the camera under "Leica" because it is not supported, hence you cannot make it a default profile for the camera. Just to check this, I took a picture taken with the SL, modified it, chose save as ICC profile, and it comes up with "Leica SL" as camera type in the suggested name, I can add an extension to that, and it will be saved under "Leica" and can be made a default for SL. When saving a profile taken with S007 it will only be named "GenericDngFile..." or whetever you chose to call it, and it will be saved under "Other", and cannot be made a default for the camera, although it is available after import. Please prove that I am wrong... Edited April 18, 2016 by erlingmm 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 18, 2016 Share #17 Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) PS: I asked C1's "Image Quality Professor" on his blog about advice. The comment was deleted by the moderator. They obviously want no discussion about the Leica S series and C1. Edited April 18, 2016 by erlingmm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted April 18, 2016 Share #18 Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) ... but believe it or not: After choosing "Set as default for DNG file" for the current profile, and restarting C1, it actually became the default ICC profile when importing pictures from the S007. Sorry for all the ramblings, it works! (But to be honest, the difference from DNG Neutral is quite subtle, an in many cases hard to see, so not sure it is worth it, except for the challenge ;-) Edited April 18, 2016 by erlingmm 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted April 18, 2016 Share #19 Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) There is a fair amount of "save as default for DNG" that will work for Leica S files in C1, but do you want to go down that route? As a puzzle to see what's possible, it can be interesting and fun. As a workflow, I think it's too dangerous. When you have a question, or things go badly wrong, there is no where to turn for help. --Matt Whoops! I took too long posting my reply. Edited April 18, 2016 by mgrayson3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted April 18, 2016 Share #20 Posted April 18, 2016 PS: I asked C1's "Image Quality Professor" on his blog about advice. The comment was deleted by the moderator. They obviously want no discussion about the Leica S series and C1. Thats really Bizarre, how do they expect to sell it as a Lightroom alternative with that approach!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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