Olsen Posted April 7, 2016 Share #1 Posted April 7, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) My Leica M P(240) produces practically 'white frames' (overexposed) every time the camera has been idle for a while. Irritating, since I then have to check every frame. Do others here have the same problem? Is this something we can expect is being solved by an software upgrade? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pop Posted April 7, 2016 Share #2 Posted April 7, 2016 Mine doesn't do that, and I don't think there are many cameras which do it. In other words, it seems to be rather a problem of your individual camera than a general one which can be addressed with new software. Could be a component failure, at a guess. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrödinger's cat Posted April 7, 2016 Share #3 Posted April 7, 2016 While there are several reports of issues involving "black frames", this is the first report I have read involving "white frames". Other than a trip to the service center, the things that I always try when encountering some sort of unknown gremlin with any camera are: 1) a factory reset 2) a different and name brand fast SD card 3) a new freshly charged battery 4) a different lens Test in full manual mode to avoid potential software issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 7, 2016 Share #4 Posted April 7, 2016 A close look at the EXIF data might be worthwhile. What does the camera think it's doing with the exposure? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 7, 2016 Share #5 Posted April 7, 2016 Might be a tired shutter mechanism, needs a shot or two to free things up when it gets up after a long rest (like many of us) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted April 8, 2016 Battery level - nor card type have any importance. I will try factory reset - just to eliminate that. To me it seems that 'black' or 'white' up start frames seems to be the same problem, but with different outcome. I am on a world cruise. If an upgrade fix is not in the pipeline - my camera goes back to Leica as soon as i get home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 8, 2016 Share #7 Posted April 8, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) If the problem only appears after some idle time, a simple workaround could be to "waste" a shot whenever you raise the camera to your eye if the last shot is more than the "critical" time in the past. Does the problem depend on how you measure the exposure? If so, selecting another exposure type might work as well, perhaps at the cost of a slight delay in the camera firing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted April 9, 2016 I have tried different exposure settings and 'Advanced' seems to be more prone to create the white frames. But not only. Even at 'Classic' I get them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted April 10, 2016 Share #9 Posted April 10, 2016 White frames, black frames, what next? - blue frames! Whilst taking a succession of single frame the shutter made that feeble 'limp hand shake' type of thing and I was rewarded with a blue frame, entirely blue. Whilst I quite like the colour blue, I'd prefer something with more detail! What next!?!?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samwells Posted April 11, 2016 Share #10 Posted April 11, 2016 White frames, black frames, what next? - blue frames! Whilst taking a succession of single frame the shutter made that feeble 'limp hand shake' type of thing and I was rewarded with a blue frame, entirely blue. Whilst I quite like the colour blue, I'd prefer something with more detail! What next!?!?! Aah...you must have the Yves Klein special edition Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted April 25, 2016 I have had yet a terrible week with my M P (240). Sailing through the Suez canal only about 30% of the pictures were close to 'right' on exposure. Another 30% were all white. On a bus tour from Port Said to Cairo; the same. I had to keep live view on to have control. Which drained the battery - which went flat at around 14.00 and ca 6,7 GB of shots. From then on I used my IPhone....My plan is to have my M P (240) repaired - and sold. If anyone will have it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted May 6, 2016 Author Share #12 Posted May 6, 2016 Tried to deliver my M-P for repair. That was impossible. The dealer did not take Leica complaints & repair anymore (?). The Norwegian importer Bresson, wanted 'documentation'. Which I hadn't. I have spent hours deleting all white frames through my 4 months world cruise from my files. Hundreds of them! But my word for it was not good enough. I have to fill a card or two - with white files. As documentation.With 'red line' on my M8, corrosion on my M9 -and a malfunctioning light meter on my M-P, I am about to run out of patience with Leica. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted May 6, 2016 Share #13 Posted May 6, 2016 I have had yet a terrible week with my M P (240). Sailing through the Suez canal only about 30% of the pictures were close to 'right' on exposure. Another 30% were all white. On a bus tour from Port Said to Cairo; the same. I had to keep live view on to have control. Which drained the battery - which went flat at around 14.00 and ca 6,7 GB of shots. From then on I used my IPhone.... My plan is to have my M P (240) repaired - and sold. If anyone will have it. Goodness gracious me. What did you find interesting to shoot between Port Said and Cairo? I always felt sorry for the tourists going that roads and thanked God that I survived. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted May 6, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted May 6, 2016 'Sailing through the Suez Canal is like sailing through a war memorial with horrible metal frames of tanks and armoured vehicles. 15.000 soldiers died there.Now there is a new canal. the northern part was opened February this year. We were among the first ships going through it. Port Said is a fascinating city. So is Cairo, possibly among the larges cities in the world. You get the Pyramides and Cairo Museum for free.So, sure, there was a lot to take pictures of. About 30% of the shots came out as white blanks, another 30% was off with a click stop up or down. The rest was fine. That was after I found out that it was best to have live view on and check that the camera was up date with the exposure. Which drained the battery out at around 14.00. - From then on I shot with IPhone.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2016 Share #15 Posted May 6, 2016 Are you saying you went on an extended holiday with just one battery? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share #16 Posted May 7, 2016 Yes, I did, Jaap. My experience with the new and larger battery was quite good. Up until this day. On this Cairo tour the camera was close to impossible to use. Due to that most 'first' shots after the camera had been resting for a while - went white'. I had to keep Live View on at all time. That did it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted May 8, 2016 Share #17 Posted May 8, 2016 Hi Olsen, I'm sory to hear that you are having trouble with the camera. It does sound like the shutter may need to be replaced. Now, if the dealer network is not helping you I would suggest that you get on to Leica directly. My local dealer is brilliant but I still deal with Leica directly to avoid any confusion over any issues that I have. You can then email in your white frame photos for their technicians to examin. In the mean time, as you were away for 4 months you may not have updated to the latest firmware. I would suggest that you try that and see if it improves the issue. At this stage you have nothing to lose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 8, 2016 Share #18 Posted May 8, 2016 Yes, I did, Jaap. My experience with the new and larger battery was quite good. Up until this day. On this Cairo tour the camera was close to impossible to use. Due to that most 'first' shots after the camera had been resting for a while - went white'. I had to keep Live View on at all time. That did it. I understand. I normally carry a number of batteries. In my case it has not been unknown to drain a battery through user error, and I once forgot a charger in a hotel room. It took a week to catch up with me, fortunately I always take spare charger as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted May 15, 2016 Share #19 Posted May 15, 2016 Worst I've had is a shot not popping up on the screen immediately after a shot (black) - but was in fact captured and available in playback, on the card etc. The only white-outs I've had were user error: dense bright fog with ISO still on 6400 from the night before. D'oh! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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