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First thread in the "Collectors and Historica" section - I never considered myself a collector, or a historic buff, but then how long can you keep away! This is one of my favourite places to lurk.

 

Back to my query, I recently picked up a pair of Leitz filters for a 21/3.4/SA (lens is one the way) - A POOBV orange and a POOGL red in 48mm with TELYT 200 on the rim. Both are in great condition, except the glass in the POOBV is a bit loose - I can move it with my fingers, and feel and hear it move if I shake the filter (dependent on the orientation of my shake and where I hold it. It doesn't feel like it is going to come out, but it's a bit disconcerting none the less.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to secure it better? I can't see a retaining ring anywhere. Glue? If so I assume a tiny bit, but what type and where? Front or back?

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Cheers,

Michael

 

p.s. I love the 5 letter codes, so wacky!

 

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The filter glass is assured by a threaded ring in the back or in the front side depending of the diameter and year of issue 
using a magnificent lens you will see 2 tiny slots in this ring not so easy to see because this ring is black usualy so using a blade of a right width inserted in the 2 slots you can screw it clockwise side until your glass is fixed good luck

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Thank you for the information.

I checked now that I am home, and I can't see a ring anywhere. It also turns out that this is not a POOBV, but a POOKZ, the same as this one:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LEICA-LEITZ-POOKZ-13310-LEICA-E48-48MM-ORANGE-FILTER-LEICA-9CM-THAMBAR-TELYT-/221919621112

 

 

It would have to be very small for me to miss it, and I have a red one, POOGL, which apart from being red is identical. It has no loose glass and I can't see a retaining ring on it either.

 

Cheers,

Michael

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Hi jc,

 

Looks like that ones gone now, maybe we advertised it too well!

 

I paid only US$20, 1/5th of the shipped price of that one, and apart from the wobble... I might place a small drop of epoxy glue on the rim to secure it. But if there's another way without 'altering' it, I'd prefer that of course. Not sure there is though.

 

Cheers,

Michael

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Front and back attached. I can't see anything that screws in.

Cheers,

Michael

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Hello Again Brian,

 

Some filters are put in their mounts purposefully a little loosely to provide for dissimilar expansion/contraction rates between the glass & the metal frame.  

 

Does this filter glass rattle a lot or just a small amount?

 

Best Regards,

 

Michael

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Something must retaining this glass so I suppose there is a ring like clip in the side where the diameter of the glas is narrow than the other

so carefully pushing this ring all around with a wooden stick (like a chinese stick) you wil resolve the problem

good luck

 

This has me flummoxed! I can't see anything! It's like the glass is magically held there, I've been around it many times and can't for the life of me find anything that looks (or feels - with a wooden skewer) remotely like able to be tightened.

 

 

 

Some filters are put in their mounts purposefully a little loosely to provide for dissimilar expansion/contraction rates between the glass & the metal frame.  

 

Does this filter glass rattle a lot or just a small amount?

 

Best Regards,

 

Michael

 

It is a small amount, but more than I'd expect to account for thermal effects.

 

I don't think that it will fall out, so I might just leave it until I can work out how it is secured and how/if it can be tightened.

 

Cheers,

Michael

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I agree with the ability to undo the fix, if needed, epoxy won't allow that I fear.

A small drop of nail polish, or a small blob (and I mean SMALL) of silicon would be what I used, if at all.

Gary

 

I'd prefer not to use nail polish - it's horrible stuff, but I was thinking a small dot of Plasticine or silicon would stop the rattle, and be able to be removed easily

 

Cheers,

Michael

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This fussing is unnecessary. As-is the filter is probably just fine.

If you wish, take a bit of lint and push it under the he side-edge of

the filter with something like a dental pick (aka dental explorer). Solved!

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This fussing is unnecessary. As-is the filter is probably just fine.

If you wish, take a bit of lint and push it under the he side-edge of

the filter with something like a dental pick (aka dental explorer). Solved!

 

Most definitely unnecessary pico!

 

But it would be nice if there was a 'clean' way of returning it to perfection!

 

Cheers,

Michael

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The contemporry Leica filters do indeed seem to be compliantly mounted with some sort of ring spring bearing the glass against the metal holder. You can tell this by pushing the glass gently from the outer side - it will give slightly against a spring tension. So, in this case, is the "looseness" a movement parallel or perpendicular to the glass element?

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The contemporry Leica filters do indeed seem to be compliantly mounted with some sort of ring spring bearing the glass against the metal holder. You can tell this by pushing the glass gently from the outer side - it will give slightly against a spring tension. So, in this case, is the "looseness" a movement parallel or perpendicular to the glass element?

 

Perhaps the design is to be compliant in varying temperatures. In very large lenses such as some aerial photo lenses, the filter is sprung. Some are heated as well. In my humble mucking about to make a filter fit properly on an early Zeiss 38mm Biogon (so that the filter did not touch the top center of the lens) I used very fine nylon fishing line in the rim. It worked so well it has been in place and used for over twenty years. And yes, it feels 'loose' if you push upon it, but it does not turn so that the movement is perpendicular.

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