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It's not perspective, it's field of view. Perspective is about the relationship in distance between the camera and the elements in the frame. 

 

My apologies, I am not an engineer. Even so, you did not answer the question. 

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I didn't answer the question because I don't own a Q, but to be fair only you will be able to answer the question - you'll either like using a fixed 28mm lens or you won't. It's important that you understand the difference between prospective and field of view however. 

 

I personally prefer 35mm as a general lens, usefully wider than a 50 but not too wide that you have to keep cropping or getting in too close. That said I often shoot with a 25mm lens on my Leica which I enjoy, but I wouldn't want it as an only lens. 

 

The crop function on the Q is a bit of a kludge IMHO - I'd want to make full use of that FF sensor and only crop (afterwards in PP) when necessary. 

 

But if you like the 28mm FOV, then the Q is a very interesting camera. 

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I didn't answer the question because I don't own a Q, but to be fair only you will be able to answer the question - you'll either like using a fixed 28mm lens or you won't. It's important that you understand the difference between prospective and field of view however. 

 

I personally prefer 35mm as a general lens, usefully wider than a 50 but not too wide that you have to keep cropping or getting in too close. That said I often shoot with a 25mm lens on my Leica which I enjoy, but I wouldn't want it as an only lens. 

 

The crop function on the Q is a bit of a kludge IMHO - I'd want to make full use of that FF sensor and only crop (afterwards in PP) when necessary. 

 

But if you like the 28mm FOV, then the Q is a very interesting camera. 

 The crop is performed on jpg only, the DNG file is still intact for PP

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...  It's important that you understand the difference between prospective and field of view however. ....

No it isn't. You can prefer the pictures taken with an 28mm better or less than those taken with a 35mm or 50mm lens without knowing what to call that difference.

 

I personally did not buy a Q because I usually prefer shooting with 50mm lenses over 35mm and I don't even own a 28mm prime lens. Also, 8MB is not my favorite image size. Hence, the Q is not a good choice for me.

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No it isn't. You can prefer the pictures taken with an 28mm better or less than those taken with a 35mm or 50mm lens without knowing what to call that difference.

 

I personally did not buy a Q because I usually prefer shooting with 50mm lenses over 35mm and I don't even own a 28mm prime lens. Also, 8MB is not my favorite image size. Hence, the Q is not a good choice for me.

 

I beg to differ. The OP is about to spend a not insignificant amount of money on a camera and he is asking a question about how it will affect the perspective of his photos, which of course it won't affect at all. 

 

Surely it's better to make an informed decision, and learn a little along the way?

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I beg to differ. The OP is about to spend a not insignificant amount of money on a camera and he is asking a question about how it will affect the perspective of his photos, which of course it won't affect at all. 

 

Surely it's better to make an informed decision, and learn a little along the way?

 

Even if the OP choose scientific incorrect wording IMO it is not so hard to understand what he asks for?

 

To answer OPs question: I much prefer 35mm if I have to live with one focal lengths. I find 35mm FOV much more flexible than 28mm. But it really depends what you shoot and what you like.

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The important thing for the OP to understand is not the terminology (although that helps in conversation), but the principle(s) involved, notably the relationship between near and far objects.  When one stands in the same place, even using different focal lengths, cropping doesn't change that relationship, while moving one's feet does, regardless of focal length.

 

Jeff

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The important thing for the OP to understand is not the terminology (although that helps in conversation), but the principle(s) involved, notably the relationship between near and far objects.  When one stands in the same place, even using different focal lengths, cropping doesn't change that relationship, while moving one's feet does, regardless of focal length.

 

Jeff

 

Thank you. I get that Jeff.  What I am asking is "do you like the 28mm on the Leica Q," and would you purchase the Q again (if you own it).  Do you find it to be acceptable; the 28mm and the Q for your purposes?  

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How do you like the 28mm field view? Even though it has an acceptable 35mm and 50mm, do you find the Q limiting or not? If you own it, would you purchase it again?

 

I only use wide angle lenses, and have been routinely shooting 24mm with my M so when I first got my Q back in June, I swapped the 24mm with a 28mm Cron thinking that this would give me a pair of cameras with similar fields of few.  I was quite surprised to discover that the FOV with the 28mm Cron was completely different to the Q, and that the best match was with my 24mm Summilux.

 

I haven't done any rigorous testing but, based on my experience, I'd say that the FOV equivalent is approximate to a 24/25mm lens and not a 28mm. This was a very welcome surprise for my style of shooting but might take some adjusting to if you're more used to longer lenses.

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I only use wide angle lenses, and have been routinely shooting 24mm with my M so when I first got my Q back in June, I swapped the 24mm with a 28mm Cron thinking that this would give me a pair of cameras with similar fields of few.  I was quite surprised to discover that the FOV with the 28mm Cron was completely different to the Q, and that the best match was with my 24mm Summilux.

 

I haven't done any rigorous testing but, based on my experience, I'd say that the FOV equivalent is approximate to a 24/25mm lens and not a 28mm. This was a very welcome surprise for my style of shooting but might take some adjusting to if you're more used to longer lenses.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/246760-28mm-focal-length-but-what-is-the-actual-field-of-view-after-lens-correction/

 

[Note mjh's distinction between angle of view and focal length.....and how in-camera corrections relate.]

 

Jeff

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 "do you like the 28mm on the Leica Q," and would you purchase the Q again (if you own it).  

 

just to elaborate on my earlier post on your question (I had just stepped off a flight before), I think the Q is amazing, and would buy it again in a heartbeat. It fits my needs almost perfectly, and I'm now thinking of selling my M246 & lenses too. The Q has a brilliant & quick manual/auto focus implementation that makes a rangefinder now seem clunky & archaic. I've also found that being restricted to a single lens is quite liberating once I've become used to it.

 

If you use Facebook then Magnum's John Vink has been using a Q over the last few weeks for his 'Cycle of Rice' project  https://www.facebook.com/John-Vink-287960743903/timeline/....  His photos might give you an idea of the Q's versatility.

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I'm still waiting for a Q. I must admit, at first I was somewhat sceptical of a 28mm, as I thought I would preferred a 35mm, my all purpose focal length. However, I used a 28 Summicron on my M for a week and decided I liked it; and so placed my order. I'm not sure if I would still prefer a 35mm, but thought it would be easy to crop a 28 to a 35 frame whereas it would be impossible to do it the other way round.

 

Now it's just a case of waiting for a Q to become available.

 

Regards, Tom

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If you use Facebook then Magnum's John Vink has been using a Q over the last few weeks for his 'Cycle of Rice' project  https://www.facebook.com/John-Vink-287960743903/timeline/....  His photos might give you an idea of the Q's versatility.

 

This is great! Thank you so much for posting this link. Just the info I needed. Been a bit worried about the B&W quality from the Q. But now I'm sold. :)

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I have a Q and I absolutely love it.  It is the most responsive and best handling (fun/easy to use) camera that I shoot with.  I am a fashion photographer and for that work I use Nikon SLRs (several D810 bodies) and Sony A7rII (which I tolerate but don't really enjoy using).  For behind the scenes and general photography, I love using the Q.  I believe that 28mm is the same as for the iPhone camera and I use it in the same way, environmental portraiture, etc, not close up portraiture that would yield unflattering distortion.  Would I buy it again?  Yes, most definitely.  The macro capability is also fantastic.  I believe it can focus down to about 17cm (which is pretty amazing for a full frame senor camera).

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Question: Does 28mm change your perspective? (Sic)

 

 

per·spec·tive

pərˈspektiv/

noun

1.

the art of drawing solid objects on a two-dimensional surface so as to give the right impression of their height, width, depth, and position in relation to each other when viewed from a particular point.

"a perspective drawing"

a view or prospect.

plural noun: perspectives

synonyms: view, vista, panorama, prospect, bird's-eye view, outlook, aspect

"a perspective of the whole valley"

GEOMETRY

the relation of two figures in the same plane, such that pairs of corresponding points lie on concurrent lines, and corresponding lines meet in collinear points.

2.

a particular attitude toward or way of regarding something; a point of view.

"most guidebook history is written from the editor's perspective"

synonyms: outlook, view, viewpoint, point of view, POV, standpoint, position, stand, stance, angle, slant, attitude, frame of mind, frame of reference, approach, way of looking, interpretation

"her perspective on things had changed"

 

Answer: Yes it does.

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I ended up selling the Q and keeping the T and M.

I like tu use it with the 23mm lens (35mm equivalent) but also can put the small nice midrange zoom on it.

If I did also have a Leica M I would probably have kept the Q.

The nice thing with the Q is you get 28mm but cropping to 35mm you still have 15/16MP. And its a fast lens.

I wasnt so happy with the color rendering in Lightroom but I think there is a new profile now which might be better.

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