Likaleica Posted September 24, 2015 Share #1 Posted September 24, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Lots of chatter over on the M(240) forum about a possible SL, smaller sibling to the S. I'm starting this thread for those of us who have been in mourning since the discontinuation of the R line, as a place for S intelligence analysts to report, speculate and predict on the possibility of this new camera system. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pico Posted September 24, 2015 Share #2 Posted September 24, 2015 The mirrored SLR is forever dead: too complex, too big. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted September 24, 2015 Probably, but that doesn't preclude development of an SL camera with EVF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted September 24, 2015 Share #4 Posted September 24, 2015 The R8 and R9 were marvelous but from a different age.. RIP! Albert Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted September 25, 2015 Share #5 Posted September 25, 2015 You can see it out of focus in this photo. Looks like the size of a VLux with a new lens system. Venture to say M will be first lens for adaptation and R glass will need to be stacked. Basically a better version of the A7. https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11960164_10206413558871899_3797733082580155581_n.jpg?oh=11e844f3c9de8964a0a3105e30c2d350&oe=56955ED1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 25, 2015 Share #6 Posted September 25, 2015 The mirrored SLR is forever dead: too complex, too big. So that includes the Leica S system. It's dead already? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted September 25, 2015 Share #7 Posted September 25, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, leica won't make a new SLR system is what Pico meant Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 25, 2015 Share #8 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Well, leica won't make a new SLR system is what Pico meant So when are they ditching the prism finder on the S ? They could have used an EVF on the latest version but instead chose to carry on with a dead, defunkt, old hat, obsolete technology prism finder. Odd. Edited September 25, 2015 by earleygallery Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted September 25, 2015 Share #9 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Thats not what I meant James, What I meant is that anno 2015 designing a optical prism finder is probably not feasible for a 'A7 like' model... The finder of the S is already been paid for so why spend extra money to make it EVF. But creating a entirely new range, a new model so to say with a optical viewfinder would be very costly, especially if the camera is gonna be cheaper than an M or S. The only reason a EVF is the future is because it's cheaper. Why does the Q just not have a optical viewfinder? (Because EVF is cheaper) Edited September 25, 2015 by jip Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted September 25, 2015 Not sure an EVF is cheaper than a pentaprism, but there are advantages to eliminating the mirror box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 25, 2015 Share #11 Posted September 25, 2015 It seems odd that Leica didn't dump the prism and switch to an EVF in the latest S model. Sticking with outdated tech that no one wants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 25, 2015 Share #12 Posted September 25, 2015 It seems odd that Leica didn't dump the prism and switch to an EVF in the latest S model. When Leica started development on the 007 I suppose only a 2.4 million dot EVF would have been available but EVF technology is progressing at a fast pace. Who knows what the next iteration of the S will look like. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted September 25, 2015 Share #13 Posted September 25, 2015 I prefer the prism finder over and EVF, but price wise for manufactures... EVF is easier to implement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted September 25, 2015 Share #14 Posted September 25, 2015 It seems odd that Leica didn't dump the prism and switch to an EVF in the latest S model. Sticking with outdated tech that no one wants. Really, why all this negativity about a system you never have, and never will use. You sound like a troll these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted September 25, 2015 Share #15 Posted September 25, 2015 Really, why all this negativity about a system you never have, and never will use. You sound like a troll these days. No, it's just that I keep reading posts about how the SLR is dead, but yet Leica themselves have based their flagship camera on an SLR design. In the more mainstream markets the SLR still sells many times more units that EVIL models. I keep reading comments that the EVF is much better but I don't agree myself. Just wondering why most manufacturers 'top line' models are still based on old tech that seemingly nobody wants. Do you have an opinion or are you just trolling? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 25, 2015 Share #16 Posted September 25, 2015 No, it's just that I keep reading posts about how the SLR is dead, but yet Leica themselves have based their flagship camera on an SLR design. MF CMOS sensors weren’t an option when the S system was developed, so neither was live view and an EVF. If they had been (and there had been high-resolution EVFs with next to no lag), the decision might have been different. The next product cycle is the first one where this option could even be seriously considered. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted September 25, 2015 Share #17 Posted September 25, 2015 Do you have an opinion or are you just trolling? Sure, I was actually a relatively early adopter with the very first Panasonic mirrorless, I think it was called G1, their first MFT camera which I tried to use with adapted Leica M lenses. Back then, the EVF's were nothing like the one that is in the Q now, but I liked the idea of WYSIWYG. I could see the potential and I liked the EVF on my now long sold NEX 7 too. See, I come from ENG broadcast and 16mm camera's in the nineties. Those video viewfinders were fuzzy and in black and white and the Arri's and Aaton's of that period weren't exactly great to look through - with an 80 or 85 filter in front of the lens and the flickering shutter - either. Actually, I have never been bothered much by viewfinder IQ. Once "I'm in the moment" while shooting, my mind is not so much occupied with viewfinder colour and resolution. That being said, I really enjoy the very bright and sharp S OVF. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted September 25, 2015 +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted September 25, 2015 Share #19 Posted September 25, 2015 I don't speak for S shooter but I think losing the "best of all time" optical finder would be a huge mistake. It's big, it's beautiful and it gives a second to none view of the scene at hand. What does an EVF offer the S? Focus peaking,video, image review.....anything else? I think an EVF is an invention of necessity. All three S models have shown its not needed. If they do decide to go that route I can only hope it's a combo OVF/EVF solution. It seems odd that Leica didn't dump the prism and switch to an EVF in the latest S model. Sticking with outdated tech that no one wants. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) I think losing the "best of all time" optical finder would be a huge mistake. +1 Edited September 25, 2015 by Likaleica 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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