Rolleiflex83 Posted December 15, 2015 Share #141 Posted December 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have to ask: why shoot stars? What's the interest? What does it prove? Who shoots stars and why? Genuine questions Well, wide-field astrophotography is another discipline in photography, just like portrait or landscape. There is no need to prove anything, just another brush for the canvas. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Hi Rolleiflex83, Take a look here New: LEICA SUMMILUX-M 28 mm f/1.4 ASPH.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Exodies Posted December 15, 2015 Share #142 Posted December 15, 2015 I have to ask: why shoot stars? What's the interest? What does it prove? Who shoots stars and why? Genuine questions I don't do it but I love to see the star pictures; they're very pretty. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted December 15, 2015 Share #143 Posted December 15, 2015 The Summicron 28 is such a good lens! You will not need a Summilux 28mm, if you own a Summilux 35 and like to shoot with it. If you don't have a Summilux at all and really like 28mm as a focal length, then the Summilux 28 is the one to buy. It really is superb. It is not as good as the Apo-Summicron 50, though. Whilst both lenses are almost equally sharp, the Apo 50 has no distortion and no CA. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 15, 2015 Share #144 Posted December 15, 2015 John, Yep, we agree on all of this. I love the size of the M. Although, I agree, the weight is over the top. The size of my 28 and 35 Summicron are ideal, for me. But the weight and size of the corresponding Summilux lenses, like my 35 Summilux is borderline, for me. Love the image quality of my Summilux lenses. I imagine they are even better on the SL. The new 28 Summilux must be fantastic on the SL. I've tried the SL and it is fantastic. But, in the end, I just want to carry a decent, small camera and lenses. I actually don't care so much if it has an EVF or AF.. . or OVF and MF... I can work with any good, simple system. I believe you mostly feel the same? Rick Absolutely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 18, 2015 Share #145 Posted December 18, 2015 With the days getting shorter I have been exploring the low-light capabilities of the 28 Summilux. I have noticed that wide open bright lights show an aberration that looks like sagittal astigmatism. Here is a 100% crop from the left hand side of an image exhibiting the phenomenon: Is that normal for this lens or is there something wrong with my copy? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted December 18, 2015 Share #146 Posted December 18, 2015 Is that normal for this lens or is there something wrong with my copy? Normal I'd think. The F1.4 aperture comes at a price that isn't just financial. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolleiflex83 Posted December 18, 2015 Share #147 Posted December 18, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) With the days getting shorter I have been exploring the low-light capabilities of the 28 Summilux. I have noticed that wide open bright lights show an aberration that looks like sagittal astigmatism. Here is a 100% crop from the left hand side of an image exhibiting the phenomenon: 2015-12-15_18-16-52_1004316.jpg Is that normal for this lens or is there something wrong with my copy? Commonly known nowadays as coma, though you are spot on with the name, this lens, and other Luxes, does have plenty. Previous page does show this behavior with star points. In my experience, only the recent ZM 35 1.4 is the only M 1.4 lens without this problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted December 21, 2015 Share #148 Posted December 21, 2015 The 28mm f/1.4 Summilux-M ASPH is highly unusual for a modern lens in that the Sagittal performance, as shown in the published MTF curves, hardly changes as it is stopped down. The sagittal data for f/1.4 is basically indistinguishable from that at f/5.6 - certainly in practice and normal use. The 28mm f/2 Summicron-M ASPH is quite different in this respect. As Wattsy says, f/1.4 comes at a price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaPassion Posted December 21, 2015 Share #149 Posted December 21, 2015 Your point is well made regarding sagittal performance. What is your impression regarding how the lens renders overall in practice and normal use? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted December 22, 2015 Share #150 Posted December 22, 2015 .......... What is your impression regarding how the lens renders overall in practice and normal use? I'm making the assumption that this question is addressed to me. I don't have a 28mm Summilux and nothing I have seen, heard or read encourages me to thing that I would benefit from getting one. My 28mm f/2 Summicon-M ASPH, although dating from 2000 as a design and many times forecast on this forum as being about to be discontinued, is a strong performer. For pictures indoors at social events, provided its UVa filter is removed, it is more than capable of yielding prints up to and including A2 size. When mine was about 10 years old it had to have a CLA back in Wetzlar because the front element became loose which cost £265 GBP. Personally I find it interesting from an historical perspective that unlike Leica's current 35mm and 50mm lens, where the f/1.4 versions noticeably outperform the f/2 versions, (50mm APO excepted), the 28mm lenses seem to conform to the historic norm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted March 10, 2016 Share #151 Posted March 10, 2016 I have sold mine and bought the Summicron back. Well, not exactly. I gave my Summilux 28 that I had used for four months to a different Leica dealer and he gave me a brandnew Summicron 28 (the one with the small metal shade) for it. Why did I do this? Because I found the Summilux too big and heavy. It's just not such a joy to carry and to use as the Summicron is. The new Summicron 28mm is a beauty, it is compact and light and very well made, too. As far as I can judge from a few shots it provides excellent quality with less CA and a less complex distortion than the Summilux. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 12, 2016 Share #152 Posted March 12, 2016 Don, well this pretty much puts the issue to bed, for me. The CA and the size and weight of the Summilux was just a bridge to far. I do like the Summicron. It will now be interesting to hear what you think about the new Summicron. I can't find much about it and most suspect it is the same as the old one. Although, Jono has stated elsewhere that the changes to the 28 Summicron are the most impressive on the M240. Not sure what he specifically meant. Let us know as you get some experience with it. Rick 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardM Posted March 13, 2016 Share #153 Posted March 13, 2016 i like this lens a lot, not as my 35 Lux, but 28 lux is one of my favorite glass. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/245343-new-leica-summilux-m-28-mm-f14-asph/?do=findComment&comment=3006749'>More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 13, 2016 Share #154 Posted March 13, 2016 I would have to agree with you, Rick. The 28 'cron is looking like the lens for me at this point. I am not opposed to paying $6000 USD for a lens, but I want round Christmas lights at f/1.4... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 13, 2016 Share #155 Posted March 13, 2016 I would have to agree with you, Rick. The 28 'cron is looking like the lens for me at this point. I am not opposed to paying $6000 USD for a lens, but I want round Christmas lights at f/1.4... I have had the cron since 2007 and it is my favorite lens. You can read my past posts on this thread. I've really tried to want to buy the 28 Lux but, the size just doesn't do it for me. I understand others do not find this a problem. I just have really got into small lenses through the years and the 28 Cron has been such a stellar lens for me. Rick 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 20, 2016 Share #156 Posted March 20, 2016 The extra weight doesn't concern me that much, and the bokeh produced by the 28 Summilux is outstanding; thanks for the example you posted, EdwardM. The 28 'lux is hard to resist, especially for a lover of the 28mm focal length - so I'm back to listing toward the 28 'lux again. I don't shoot shoot Christmas tree lights often but if I do, I'll have to remember to do it at f/4. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougg Posted March 31, 2016 Share #157 Posted March 31, 2016 Funny to see the initial excitement over the new Summilux mature into renewed appreciation for the 28 Summicron. I appreciate that, since I too like my 2/28 and don't need the expense of the 1.4/28! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaPassion Posted March 31, 2016 Share #158 Posted March 31, 2016 Dougg, I continue to be exited about how the 28 lux renders. I don't find the size/weight to be a problem. My 28 cron is collecting dust. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 8, 2016 Share #159 Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) I ended up taking the "economical bastard" path and got a copy of the 28/2.8 Elmarit ASPH (#11 677). I can't say that I regret it. Edited May 8, 2016 by Carlos Danger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuddy Posted May 20, 2016 Share #160 Posted May 20, 2016 28cron is great lens, but i love 28lux more Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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