gwzglasinlood Posted May 7, 2015 Share #1 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I recently found this camera in Germany,I don't know much about it,so I would like to hear from someone who do knows something. On the lower part of the lens is also a eagle marking with a M,just as on the back. I would like to upload more pictures but 3 seems to be the max. With kind regards from Holland, Gerard. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 7, 2015 by gwzglasinlood Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244762-i-found-this-cameracan-anyone-tell-me-something-about-it/?do=findComment&comment=2812305'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Hi gwzglasinlood, Take a look here I found this camera,can anyone tell me something about it?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pico Posted May 8, 2015 Share #2 Posted May 8, 2015 I'm afraid it is a fake. Regardless, it might take decent pictures. Enjoy! . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 8, 2015 Share #3 Posted May 8, 2015 Doesn't look like a fake to me. The serial number relates to a 1941 lllc, and it certainly looks like a regular lllc. The engravings are meant to signify that the camera was used by the German navy, they may well be fake in an attempt to boost the value of a standard lllc, but I'm not an expert on such engravings, I'm sure others will chime in. They look well done however. If you remove the lens, does the camera have red or black shutter curtains? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckrider Posted May 8, 2015 Share #4 Posted May 8, 2015 IIIc from 1941, no russian fake but origin Leica, later sychronized. Posting more pics is possible if Your start separate posts for each. Show us some details of the engraving, I think this is a genuine one. Even if don't like that Nazibu...it, but that's of a matter of taste and historic interest. Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Böttcher Posted May 8, 2015 Share #5 Posted May 8, 2015 My rule og thumb: "The bigger the swastika, the bigger the fake.". So this one is done quite decently ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 8, 2015 Share #6 Posted May 8, 2015 Needless to say, if it is genuine, and looking again now I'm more inclined to think it may be, then you have a rather valuable collectors piece! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eckart Posted May 8, 2015 Share #7 Posted May 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am not sure about wanting to know somebody who is collecting this kind of Leicas. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted May 8, 2015 Share #8 Posted May 8, 2015 The camera is a regular wartime IIIC, the engravings are faked and totally wrong. cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwzglasinlood Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) Hello everyone. Thanks for the reactions,I will put some more pictures. Just one remark to the person who stated that he was not sure he would like to know people who collecting this kind of stuff, one little remark. First I don't collect this,but even if so, that won't make me a nazi,pre justice is the start of all mishap and misery among people,talk like that makes me think some people still don't get that I did not removed the swatsika's because I like them so much,but not to offend people,I am just interested to know something about this camera because I have doubt's. I want to thank you all for your answers and reply's. With kind regards, Gerard. (Attachment removed) Edited May 9, 2015 by pop Pictures of NS insignia violate German law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwzglasinlood Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted May 9, 2015 Doesn't look like a fake to me. The serial number relates to a 1941 lllc, and it certainly looks like a regular lllc. The engravings are meant to signify that the camera was used by the German navy, they may well be fake in an attempt to boost the value of a standard lllc, but I'm not an expert on such engravings, I'm sure others will chime in. They look well done however. If you remove the lens, does the camera have red or black shutter curtains? Hello thanks for your answer,they are black. With kind regards, Gerard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted May 9, 2015 Share #11 Posted May 9, 2015 This kind of items are well published, I confirm: this is a forgery. Wrong both, the eagle and the font used for the engravings. I guess that would be interesting to see the delivery.cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 9, 2015 Share #12 Posted May 9, 2015 Please refer to the forum rules: Photos which cannot be accepted for moral, ethical or religious reasons will be deleted immediately without prior notice and comment. This especially applies to pictures showing NS-Symbols (Nazi-Symbols like Swastika, SS runes and so forth) which are not allowed to be published according to German law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwzglasinlood Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted May 9, 2015 Hello everyone. Thanks for the reactions,I will put some more pictures. Just one remark to the person who stated that he was not sure he would like to know people who collecting this kind of stuff, one little remark. First I don't collect this,but even if so, that won't make me a nazi,pre justice is the start of all mishap and misery among people,talk like that makes me think some people still don't get that I did not removed the swatsika's because I like them so much,but not to offend people,I am just interested to know something about this camera because I have doubt's. I want to thank you all for your answers and reply's. With kind regards, Gerard. (Attachment removed) I thought that if the Swastika's are removed like this there is not a problem? If so, please remove it a.s.p. and my excuses off course,by no means I want to offend anybody. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244762-i-found-this-cameracan-anyone-tell-me-something-about-it/?do=findComment&comment=2813483'>More sharing options...
Sharif Posted May 9, 2015 Share #14 Posted May 9, 2015 This kind of items are well published, I confirm: this is a forgery. Wrong both, the eagle and the font used for the engravings. I guess that would be interesting to see the delivery. cheers. The engraved “MF 658“ seems from a modern postwar Font. This example shows the typical Leica DIN 1451 Font from 1936. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sharif 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sharif ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/244762-i-found-this-cameracan-anyone-tell-me-something-about-it/?do=findComment&comment=2813622'>More sharing options...
gwzglasinlood Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted May 10, 2015 The engraved “MF 658“ seems from a modern postwar Font. This example shows the typical Leica DIN 1451 Font from 1936. MF_658.png Sharif Well all this comments from everyone together leave not much room for doubt. Thank you all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lleo Posted May 10, 2015 Share #16 Posted May 10, 2015 I hope you didn't pay much for that, Gerard. Though ruining a piece of art like that with the engravings... it's not for die Adler nor the Swastika, but it's like to add something on an ancient Giotto's painting or Michelangelo's statue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryzet Posted May 10, 2015 Share #17 Posted May 10, 2015 it was sold at an auction for 1800 euro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eckart Posted May 10, 2015 Share #18 Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) way too much, I think. Even if it would be a "real" one, I can't understand why anything should have a higher value if there is a nazi signage Edited May 10, 2015 by eckart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lleo Posted May 10, 2015 Share #19 Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Yes, too much. But it's not only about the nazi stuff. Unfortunately the collectors are a pain in the butt for anybody wanting to have a certain camera, a car, a motorcycle, a musical instrument, and so on. For use it. And the firmas know it well, so they produce more and more "limited edition" even when there's no anniversary to celebrate. The fact is until there are people willing to buy these kind of stuff, prices will ever be soaring. I can understand a painting: its goal is to get hang on the wall and stared at. But a camera is made for taking photos, as well as an instrument is made for playing. Edited May 10, 2015 by lleo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwzglasinlood Posted May 10, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted May 10, 2015 it was sold at an auction for 1800 euro Not correct,way too much,witch auction then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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