Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 17, 2015 Share #1 Posted April 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have had my MM for nearly a year now and although I do not use it as much as I did when I first got it I am not convinced that I can get better B&W images from it compared to my M240 or Nikon D4s Right out of the camera they are matt gray and sure with a little help from Silver efex pro they pop but then so do my pictures taken with my Nikon or M cameras. Does anyone else see/feel the same? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Hi Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS, Take a look here Not 100% convinced the MM gives better B&W images than say a M240/Nikon. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Marac Posted April 17, 2015 Share #2 Posted April 17, 2015 in a word, Nope. The only other camera that satisfied my B&W lust is the M8 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 17, 2015 Share #3 Posted April 17, 2015 Unfortunately I don't have the M8 but comparing my MM to the M or my Nikon gear I don't see the benefits of having a B&W only camera Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 17, 2015 Share #4 Posted April 17, 2015 Sell it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 17, 2015 Share #5 Posted April 17, 2015 Sell it. Why Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted April 17, 2015 Share #6 Posted April 17, 2015 Why Duplication of effort if you already have a 240 and Nikon that you like better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 17, 2015 Share #7 Posted April 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Unfortunately I don't have the M8 but comparing my MM to the M or my Nikon gear I don't see the benefits of having a B&W only camera Sell it. Why Your words Neil. You said you couldn't see the benefit of your MM, a B&W only camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 17, 2015 Share #8 Posted April 17, 2015 Your words Neil. You said you couldn't see the benefit of your MM, a B&W only camera. That's what I said Marc but no need to sell it..............I like using it with my collapsible thingamajig and the Noctilux as it looks cool Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 17, 2015 Share #9 Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) I disagree with your opening post. The inconvenience of occasionally wanting to have shot a colour photo when I have the Monochrom with me (no difference to having only B&W in my film camera), and the different workflow without the tonal controls of colour adjustment in PP does not not compare with advantages of the output, even compared with my M240 images converted to B&W- increased tonal and dynamic range and increased resolution, filmic quality to the noise/grain, and file malleability in PP. Edited April 17, 2015 by MarkP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 17, 2015 Share #10 Posted April 17, 2015 That's what I said Marc but no need to sell it..............I like using it with my collapsible thingamajig and the Noctilux as it looks cool Sorry, the rig looks cool or the resulting images? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 17, 2015 Share #11 Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) Sorry, the rig looks cool or the resulting images? What I mean is that the MM looks cool (looks cool) with the two lenses that I mentioned above hanging off the front of it. That aside I still like using it but I still don't see where it takes better black and white pictures than the two cameras that I mentioned before...............I would post some examples but we cant post non Leica images so no point Edited April 17, 2015 by NDWgolf Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted April 17, 2015 Share #12 Posted April 17, 2015 in a word, Nope. The only other camera that satisfied my B&W lust is the M8 I love the results from my Monochrom. The only thing that comes close is my S2. My old M8 was a great B&W camera but the files had a unique look. Much different than Monochrom files. Of course, I mostly shot the M8 without the IR blocking filter or with a 92 or 93 IR filter. In fact, if I didn't already have (according to my wife) too many Leicas, I'd look for a nice used M8 just for the IR capability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 17, 2015 Share #13 Posted April 17, 2015 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Non MM pictures 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Non MM pictures ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243774-not-100-convinced-the-mm-gives-better-bw-images-than-say-a-m240nikon/?do=findComment&comment=2800088'>More sharing options...
Jager Posted April 17, 2015 Share #14 Posted April 17, 2015 ... Right out of the camera they are matt gray and sure with a little help from Silver efex pro they pop but then so do my pictures taken with my Nikon or M cameras. Does anyone else see/feel the same? Hey Neil, It's certainly fine to like what you get out of your M240 or D4s better than from your MM. Nothing at all wrong with that worldview. The only thing I'll offer is that your comment about the MM files being 'matt gray' straight out of camera might suggest you haven't gotten a handle on post processing those files. SEP is a great program, but it is not necessary to get terrific MM images. Lightroom, or any other basic editing program, is all you really need. MM files do require PP, more so than most other cameras. That's inherent in their design. Said differently, I think it's a mistake to judge files directly out of camera. Ultimately, we're talking about very high-end equipment here. Use whatever suits your needs and makes you happy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 17, 2015 Share #15 Posted April 17, 2015 Jajer What I said is fact......Files right out of the MM camera are Matt grey and need PP in any program whether it be SEP CS6 or Lightroom Which is all fine as most of my pictures out of any camera iPhone 6 included get tweeted with PP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenshacker Posted April 18, 2015 Share #16 Posted April 18, 2015 I use Y52. O56, and R60 filters with my Monochrom. They work on the Monochrom just like they work on film; the images have plenty of contrast. I don't mind letting a few pixels saturate, they would be white anyway. No problem with flat images. The non-interpolated detail of the Monochrom is amazing, something that you just cannot recreate in software converted color images. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted April 18, 2015 Share #17 Posted April 18, 2015 Hi Neil, it was probably inevitable that you would arrive at this conclusion sooner or later. It may be that the MM is rather a niche camera and perhaps not for everyone. Do you think it might also be that your initial expectations for the camera might have been set a tad too high? No camera is capable of working magic.....although, if that were possible, I believe the MM would be the camera to do the trick. As regards your photos posted above, I wonder what you could possibly find to be "not a 100% convinced about"....they are excellent b&w work, are they from the MM? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 18, 2015 Share #18 Posted April 18, 2015 I have had my MM for nearly a year now and although I do not use it as much as I did when I first got it I am not convinced that I can get better B&W images from it compared to my M240 or Nikon D4s Right out of the camera they are matt gray and sure with a little help from Silver efex pro they pop but then so do my pictures taken with my Nikon or M cameras. Does anyone else see/feel the same? Not me. And I do not like using SEP, except when I am in a hurry. After a brief affair in the beginning I moved on to do my own thing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 18, 2015 Share #19 Posted April 18, 2015 Hi Neil, it was probably inevitable that you would arrive at this conclusion sooner or later. It may be that the MM is rather a niche camera and perhaps not for everyone. Do you think Yes it might also be that your initial expectations for the camera might have been set a tad too high? very much so No camera is capable of working magic.....although, if that were possible, I believe the MM would be the camera to do the trick. Pass As regards your photos posted above, I wonder what you could possibly find to be "not a 100% convinced about"....they are excellent b&w work, are they from the MM? You tell me Hi Dee The MM is a nice camera but I feel now its 100% niche........which is ok, its just never got my juices going. I will keep it for the reasons stated above but when I go on photo trips I will leave it at home as I feel I can get the best out of both worlds by shooting in color and converting to B&W in post process as and when I feel like it. Most of the older folks who are die hard B&W photographers from the film days (before my time) would probably love it............... but for me now after owning one I could take it or leave it. Thanks for the complements on my pictures above 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 18, 2015 Share #20 Posted April 18, 2015 I use Y52. O56, and R60 filters with my Monochrom. They work on the Monochrom just like they work on film; the images have plenty of contrast. I don't mind letting a few pixels saturate, they would be white anyway. No problem with flat images. The non-interpolated detail of the Monochrom is amazing, something that you just cannot recreate in software converted color images. I have only ever used ND filters on my MM so cant comment on that but makes sense that the out of the box files would/could be more contrasty Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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