Overgaard Posted May 27, 2014 Share #1 Posted May 27, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I updated my article on the new Leica Macro-M adapter that seems to be $550 (vs the Leitz OUFRO that is $200-$400) and the new Novoflex tube set that is about €190, as well as the R bellows that can also be used. leica.overgaard.dk - Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - Page 34 - "Sexy Stuff for the Worlds Most Sexy Camera, the Leica M Type 240 Digital Rangefinder Camera" For a more specific writeup on the Leica R Bellows (made by Novoflex for Leica), see the R on M article: leica.overgaard.dk - Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - Page 33 - "Leica R lenses on the Leica M 240" - Leica M Type 240 Digital Rangefinder Camera - Review - Sample Photos - Electronic Viewfinder - Leica R lens catwalk - handgrips - adapters Enjoy! 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 27, 2014 Posted May 27, 2014 Hi Overgaard, Take a look here Macro tools for the Leica M at overgaard.dk. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rafael_macia Posted May 27, 2014 Share #2 Posted May 27, 2014 What an observant, and fascinating piece of work on Leica this ! Thank you for posting this ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 29, 2014 Share #3 Posted May 29, 2014 I'm confused! With all the choices what is the best and most versatile solution for macro with the M240? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted May 29, 2014 Share #4 Posted May 29, 2014 ... what is the best and most versatile solution for macro with the M (Typ 240)? A set of two or three close-up diopter lenses (preferably achromatic, i. e. double-element ones, such as Minolta Close-Up Lenses, Nikon T diopter lenses, or Leitz/Leica Elpro lenses). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmilar Posted May 29, 2014 Share #5 Posted May 29, 2014 I'm confused! With all the choices what is the best and most versatile solution for macro with the M240? Macro Photography is a very broad term, so the best and most versatile solution depends very much on your specific goal. First, what scale of reproduction are you looking for? 4:1, 1:1, 1:4? What subject matter? What is your distance from the subject? Are you in the field, or a studio? What kind of lighting? Are you using a tripod? Does your tripod have a macro rail (to allow easy sliding of camera back and forth)? Do you take occasional macro photos, or is macro the only thing you do? Are you looking for deep or shallow focus? What lenses do you already have? Do you intend to purchase a lens specifically for macro? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 30, 2014 Share #6 Posted May 30, 2014 Macro Photography is a very broad term, so the best and most versatile solution depends very much on your specific goal. First, what scale of reproduction are you looking for? 4:1, 1:1, 1:4? What subject matter? What is your distance from the subject? Are you in the field, or a studio? What kind of lighting? Are you using a tripod? Does your tripod have a macro rail (to allow easy sliding of camera back and forth)? Do you take occasional macro photos, or is macro the only thing you do? Are you looking for deep or shallow focus? What lenses do you already have? Do you intend to purchase a lens specifically for macro? Good points was really looking more for an adapter to play around with my M240 without a dedicated macro lens as I don't do this much. Getting as close to 1:1 would be nice no need for more magnification. Was also just looking to extend the usefulness of what I have not buy additional lenses. Have a WATE, Noct, and a 35mm summilux. . No studio, have tripod but no rails. again macro need is just for fun and occasional use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikiphoto Posted May 30, 2014 Share #7 Posted May 30, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) My Raynox 250 will get me 1:1 on my 50mm Summicron. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmilar Posted May 30, 2014 Share #8 Posted May 30, 2014 The two simplest solutions for occasional macro use are: 1) Diopter lenses, as 01af has suggested. 2) Increase the space between body and lens (OUFRO (and clones), the new Macro-M adapter, bellows). You might find that the 50mm is the best candidate for macro, since the wide angle lenses might get you too close to the subject. The downside to using a longer lens is that you need more extension or stronger diopters. A quick rule of thumb for extension is that, to get 1:1, you need extension equal to the focal length of the lens. So 1:1 with a 50mm lens requires 50mm of extension. However, this is with the lens set to infinity focus, so with the lens set to its closest focus you can reduce the extension by the lens' focus extension. An additional quick and dirty macro technique is to mount your lens backwards on the camera (ie. the "filter side" of the lens to the camera). I'm not sure if anyone makes a reversing adapter for M-mount. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 30, 2014 Share #9 Posted May 30, 2014 Thanks for all the tips. Is there any advantage to one of the adapters either OUFRO, Novoflex extension tube set, Leica adapter? Costs and availability very considerably! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmilar Posted May 30, 2014 Share #10 Posted May 30, 2014 They are all simply "spacers". They contain no lens elements. The only differences are: 1) Build quality. If the Leica M-Macro adapter has the same quality as the R-Adapter-M (for mounting R lenses on M cameras), it will be the best of the lot. It is not shipping, yet. Hopefully, it will ship on time, unlike the unbelievable delay Leica had shipping the R-Adapter-M! 2) The Leica M-Macro adapter has variable amount of extension, as it has a helical ring that you can turn to change its depth. 3) The Novoflex tube set, with its multiple rings, is probably as flexible as Leica's adapter. In addition, when all of the rings are used, it has more extension. It will probably be more "fiddly" to use, since you have to add or remove rings to vary the extension. The various lens adapters from Novoflex get mostly positive reviews, and their tube set should have the same quality. 4) One OUFRO has 10mm of extension. They can be stacked. However, they are selling for ridiculous prices since they have been out of production for years. Perhaps the availability of the Leica and Novoflex options will reduce the market for OUFROs. The Chinese OUFRO clones have varying reviews regarding their quality and consistency. One OUFRO clone sells for $80 on the auction site, but if you consider getting three or four of them, the Novoflex set is a better option. In summary, the Novoflex tubes are the most versatile, but the M-Macro Adapter will have the best quality. The high price of OUFROs puts them out of the running. Personally, I have pre-ordered the M-Macro Adapter, because I am impressed with the quality of the R-Adapter-M. The lenses I can use with it are 50 'lux Asph, MA-TE, and 90mm Summicron. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 30, 2014 Share #11 Posted May 30, 2014 Thank you so much really appreciate the reply!! All makes sense now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJWhite Posted May 30, 2014 Share #12 Posted May 30, 2014 3) The Novoflex tube set, with its multiple rings, is probably as flexible as Leica's adapter. In addition, when all of the rings are used, it has more extension. It will probably be more "fiddly" to use, since you have to add or remove rings to vary the extension. The various lens adapters from Novoflex get mostly positive reviews, and their tube set should have the same quality. I just received the Novoflex. The three screw mount rings are all just a hair too thick. So with all three in place, the focus and aperture indexes are rotated about 45 degrees counterclockwise as you look at the camera from the front. All three rings are the same thickness; all just a bit too thick. And this will cause anyone wanting to use a bellows some grief if you use an accessory grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted May 31, 2014 Note that the new Leica Macro M adapter has "zoom". I just updated the article with photos of it expanded and not expanded. It is really well built. We just raided the Leica Shop in Vienna yesterday for all their stock of them :-) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/227780-macro-tools-for-the-leica-m-at-overgaarddk/?do=findComment&comment=2601040'>More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted May 31, 2014 Generally, I would say the 90mm APO-Summicron-M f/2.0 is the best for macro due to the APO (bright and clear colors) and the general image quality of that lens (3D feel and micro details and contrast). But often any 50mm lens will make it work very well. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmilar Posted May 31, 2014 Share #15 Posted May 31, 2014 Thank-you for adding the photo of the Macro-Adapter-M zooming, Thorsten. It is the clearest example I have seen. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted June 3, 2014 Comparison between the OUFRO and the Leica Macro M leica.overgaard.dk - Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - Page 34 - "Sexy Stuff for the Worlds Most Sexy Camera, the Leica M Type 240 Digital Rangefinder Camera" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/227780-macro-tools-for-the-leica-m-at-overgaarddk/?do=findComment&comment=2603023'>More sharing options...
jrp Posted June 3, 2014 Share #17 Posted June 3, 2014 I couldn't figure out in a quick look the difference between the old and the new 90mm. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 3, 2014 Share #18 Posted June 3, 2014 I couldn't figure out in a quick look the difference between the old and the new 90mm. Can anyone point me in the right direction? The lens is essentially the same; the adapter no longer has the 'goggles' shown here. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted June 3, 2014 Share #19 Posted June 3, 2014 Comparison between the OUFRO and the Leica Macro M 1/ Hi Thorsten - can you advise if the Macro M adapter at full extension can be used with Leica M bellows? THAT would be really helpful. 2/ 3) The Novoflex tube set, with its multiple rings, is probably as flexible as Leica's adapter. In addition, when all of the rings are used, it has more extension. It will probably be more "fiddly" to use, since you have to add or remove rings to vary the extension. The various lens adapters from Novoflex get mostly positive reviews, and their tube set should have the same quality. Beware - the problem of the screw thread + ring thickness throwing everything out 45 degrees. It makes the tube set useless on the Viso M Bellows - and inelegant with other lenses. I'm getting Malcolm Taylor to "fuse" mine together with everything at the right angle but drilling through and inserting a pin which will hold everything in line. I lose the flexibility, but I at least get something that is correctly aligned. SUCH a pity that the Macro M is so expensive - I'm afraid I baulk at laying out that much for something I'll give only have an occasional need for. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted June 7, 2014 Share #20 Posted June 7, 2014 The lens is essentially the same; the adapter no longer has the 'goggles' shown here. Jeff Thanks. So the lens has the same optics, but you don't need to turn it upside down to get macro, if you use the new adaptor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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