iphoenix Posted September 10, 2013 Share #1 Posted September 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) On Ebay Australia, a "Leica IIG" (S/no 825003) has been listed, with pictures, at a BIN price of A$55,000. Any comments?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted September 10, 2013 Share #2 Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) Well... is undoubtly one of the rarest Leicas : never officially announced, few items were made in the 825.0xx range : I remember that one was sold at an auction, some years ago, for around 6-7000 US$; 55.000 A$ seems to me an exaggerate request, but so better for the seller if he cashes in such a sum; of course, originality has to be verified : I think that it has never been faked by "usual fake manufacturers", but for a good lab, starting from an original IIIG it could be not too difficult to arrange a "II G", with right s/n and no long times and selftimer. Edited September 10, 2013 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted September 10, 2013 Thank you Luigi, I appreciate your response. At least now I have confidence that there may have been some IIG's produced. I can't find any reference to that model in my Leica books. Regards, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 11, 2013 Share #4 Posted September 11, 2013 Hello David, If you look in Rogliatti's "Leica, The First 60 years" there is a picture & description. I don't know enough about computers to put a copy of the photo & text here. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted September 11, 2013 Thank you Michael, I don't have a spare $55,000, so I guess I will never see the real thing. I will though, have to get a copy of Rogliatti's book. Kind regards, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted September 11, 2013 Share #6 Posted September 11, 2013 You can see one that was sold at iGavel Rare Leica IIg Chrome with Leicavit D2CP1A 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 11, 2013 Share #7 Posted September 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks, JC, is the one that I vaguely remembered and quoted in my post above... I did not remember it had also the Leicavit, which makes the 55 KA$ request even more stellar... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted September 11, 2013 Share #8 Posted September 11, 2013 You can see one that was sold at iGavel Rare Leica IIg Chrome with Leicavit D2CP1A The big problem with that camera is that can't be verified, hence the low value. Would have been totally different if the records or other documents had been able to confirm the origin such as Leica IIG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 11, 2013 Share #9 Posted September 11, 2013 The big problem with that camera is that can't be verified, hence the low value.Would have been totally different if the records or other documents had been able to confirm the origin such as Leica IIG. This applies to the Australian ebay item too, imho... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scnoo Posted September 11, 2013 Share #10 Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) Hi, I have seen the IIg on ebay, The Leica museum has 825001 and 825015 sold at auction. It sure fits nicely into the proper serial number sequence, quite a find if it is! regards JS Edited September 11, 2013 by scnoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted September 11, 2013 Share #11 Posted September 11, 2013 Hi, I have seen the IIg on ebay, The Leica museum has 825001 and 825015 sold at auction. It sure fits nicely into the proper serial number sequence, quite a find if it is! regards JS The camera n.825001 was confirmed to be a Leica IIIG originally delivered to US and sold. Was auctioned in june 2008- lot53 by Westlicht (price-Euro 12.000). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scnoo Posted September 11, 2013 Share #12 Posted September 11, 2013 Hi again, I'm confused, whats in the Leica Museum then? regards JS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted September 11, 2013 Share #13 Posted September 11, 2013 Hi again, I'm confused, whats in the Leica Museum then? regards JS JS, also you were right. The explanation is this: actually there was in the Leitz Museum ( marked as n.2238 in the Museum list ) the Leica IlG prototype, the only original IIG camera known of which we can be 100% certain: also first serial number of "G"-type cameras - basically a Illg without selftimer and slowspeeds - SAME n.825001 (Lager Vol. I, p 165) of the Leica IIIG sold by Westlicht. The Leica IIG camera n.825001 was also published in the " PROTOTYP LEICA" book von Lars Netopil. The Leica IIG n.825001 was no longer in the Leitz Museum because it was sold together with a number of TOP Museum items to Mr. Surat Osathanugrah (one of the most important collectors in the world), now passed away (I remember that the camera was on sale years ago, they spoke of a large sum of money but I do not remember how much now). The serial number was obviously a double of the Leica IIIG sold in US. However, the one in the Museum was the only documented IIG with strong provenience. Of the others not much is known for sure. best regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scnoo Posted September 11, 2013 Share #14 Posted September 11, 2013 Thank you for the information, A fascinating and intriguing story...was the duplication of full serial numbers somewhat unusual? I thought that prototypes had shorter or more obvious non-production number sequences. best regards JS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 11, 2013 Share #15 Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) Thank you for the information, A fascinating and intriguing story...was the duplication of full serial numbers somewhat unusual? I thought that prototypes had shorter or more obvious non-production number sequences. best regards JS Yes, it was very unusual... and when it happened they used to put an asterisk after the s/n... and as you say prototypes had normally "out of range" numbers (Van Hasbroeck displays a IIIG "Betriebsk N. 509")... odd story indeed. To complicate further, it is also reported that a US dealer asked for, and obtained from Leitz, a conversion service from IG to IIG (notice, IIG not IIIG ... and IG HAD the slow times...) : maybe some cameras from this strange operation do exist... but IG hadn't numbers in the 825.0xxx.... Edited September 11, 2013 by luigi bertolotti Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient XI Posted September 11, 2013 Share #16 Posted September 11, 2013 You can see one that was sold at iGavel Rare Leica IIg Chrome with Leicavit D2CP1A There seems to be one problem with this camera. It has the standard "g-type" film speed/type reminder on the back of the body but it also has the "f-type" film speed reminder on the top of the wind on knob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted September 26, 2013 On Ebay Australia, a "Leica IIG" (S/no 825003) has been listed, with pictures, at a BIN price of A$55,000. Any comments?? Just for information, it's been re-listed at a "Buy It Now" price of A$15,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc_rufctr Posted March 25, 2015 Share #18 Posted March 25, 2015 It's back! And looking at the photos it's just beautiful. BIN $135,000 AUD! and according to the listing he's had 7 offers. At that sort of money I'd want to see it in real life before making an offer. (I could be in Melbourne in about 9 hours by car ) Leica Leitz IIG Camera Lens AND Leicavit Outfit Iiig Variant Unusual AND V Rare | eBay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 25, 2015 Share #19 Posted March 25, 2015 This story becomes more and more surrealistic... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted March 25, 2015 Share #20 Posted March 25, 2015 It reminds me the story of the Leica 244:D Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/212487-iig/?do=findComment&comment=2786876'>More sharing options...
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