Ruhayat Posted December 1, 2012 Share #1 Posted December 1, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Recently bought a Nokton 35/1.2 and just got the first test rolls back. I am impressed. So now I'm idly wondering if Leica will ever try to beat this lens and come out with a 35/1.0 or 0.95 of their own. Like the Noct, I likely will not be able to afford that either - took me long enough to save up for a 28mm Elmarit ASPH - but as a concept I'd sure like to see such a fast lens from Leica. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted December 1, 2012 Share #2 Posted December 1, 2012 Yes please. I doubt it will happen though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted December 1, 2012 Share #3 Posted December 1, 2012 if they did it would be over priced so no good any way some other more reasonable company might Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share #4 Posted December 1, 2012 if they did it would be over priced so no good any way some other more reasonable company might Well, the Nokton is close. In fact, on my GXR it becomes an almost-Nocti focal length of 53mm, with none of the focusing issues of the Nokton 50/1.1. I was just wondering why Leica doesn't seem to want to capture this particular crown when it's pushing the envelope almost everywhere else (with f1.4 wide angles, for example). I mean, Cosina has even come out with a v2 of the lens, and there is still no response from Leica. Maybe the market for an ultra-fast 35mm is too small? Surely it can't be because it wouldn't be a particularly useful lens - I can readily attest to how useful an ultra fast 35mm is in real world usage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 1, 2012 Share #5 Posted December 1, 2012 A Nocti asph 35 around f1 would have a huge front lens - surely an issue with the OVF of Leica M... but not with the EVF of M240... ... so I wouldn't be surprised if they have one on the drawing board : right product for some "intermediate" announcement some day: the price, which logically would be over the Nocti 50 will make me stand away, of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 1, 2012 Share #6 Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) According to the findings of L-Camera Forum member Robert_M, it seems a Summilux-M 28 mm is under development right now. If that's true (it might be not) then also a Noctilux-M 35 mm would not be entirely beyond reasonable imagination. But it sure would be significantly more expensive than the Noctilux-M 50 mm Asph. Edited December 1, 2012 by 01af Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted December 1, 2012 Share #7 Posted December 1, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) if a 50mm Noctilux costs as much as it does....how much would a 35mm Noctilux cost? $15,0000? LOL SKIP!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 1, 2012 Share #8 Posted December 1, 2012 ...how much would a 35 mm Noctilux cost? $15,000? Yeah. I'd say that's in the ballpark. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted December 1, 2012 Share #9 Posted December 1, 2012 Why one lens is more expensive than other can be for number of reasons; labour content probably being main contributor, also projected sale volume that can absorb development cost. Now, can somebody explain to me why is latest Summilux 35mm ASHP (Floating element) 50% more expensive than Summilux 50mm ASPH when both are "similar" lumps of metal and glass. Some material facts:- Lux 35mm ASPH (FLE) = 9/5 elements/groups & 320 grammes Lux 50mm ASPH Black = 8/5 elements/groups & 335 grammes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 1, 2012 Share #10 Posted December 1, 2012 A Nocti asph 35 around f1 would have a huge front lens - surely an issue with the OVF of Leica M... but not with the EVF of M240... ... so I wouldn't be surprised if they have one on the drawing board : right product for some "intermediate" announcement some day: the price, which logically would be over the Nocti 50 will make me stand away, of course. Well, a very expensive lens in the classical M-range with limited usability for the rangefinder would be a strange diversion from the core product line of Leica. To tell customers that they could only make full use of a 35mm (or 28mm) lens with help of a "workaround" would cause some doubts about the sens of the M-concept. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 1, 2012 Share #11 Posted December 1, 2012 Why one lens is more expensive than other can be for number of reasons; labour content probably being main contributor, also projected sale volume that can absorb development cost. Now, can somebody explain to me why is latest Summilux 35mm ASHP (Floating element) 50% more expensive than Summilux 50mm ASPH when both are "similar" lumps of metal and glass. Some material facts:- Lux 35mm ASPH (FLE) = 9/5 elements/groups & 320 grammes Lux 50mm ASPH Black = 8/5 elements/groups & 335 grammes. Maybe the price differences between the 50mm Summilux and the 35mm Summilux (now and in the past) are not fully justified, though you can take it as a general rule that same opening for a wider lens causes much higher pains in development, glass quality and production than with a 50mm. Weight and number of lenses are not really the important factors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 1, 2012 Share #12 Posted December 1, 2012 Well, a very expensive lens in the classical M-range with limited usability for the rangefinder would be a strange diversion from the core product line of Leica. To tell customers that they could only make full use of a 35mm (or 28mm) lens with help of a "workaround" would cause some doubts about the sens of the M-concept. That's a right consideration... I think that, at least, they wait and see how the EVF is accepted by users... maybe also wait for a 2nd model with something, generally speaking, "better" on the EVF side... the present solution seems someway made to test the market (a 3rd party item of no astonishing specs) : who knows if in a pair of years the Fuji XPro "hybrid" concept can evolve... ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 2, 2012 Share #13 Posted December 2, 2012 ... Now, can somebody explain to me why is latest Summilux 35mm ASHP (Floating element) 50% more expensive than Summilux 50mm ASPH when both are "similar" lumps of metal and glass. .... I'll take a guess and say that the wider angle wide open at f/1.4 translates into more optical aberrations to correct by perhaps using exotic and expensive low-yield glass formulae and higher centring and other manufacturing tolerances. For example, a senior Leica rep told me that some of the elements in the 50/0.95 need 2 years to cure. I don't know if this is similar for the 35/1.4 Summilux asph (FLE) but it doesn't seem unreasonable considering how well corrected the lens is. Whether the price is justified is a subjective matter of course - I'm simply suggesting possible practical reasons. Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted December 2, 2012 Share #14 Posted December 2, 2012 Would it really be that much bigger than the current 0.95? the 50mm and 35mm Summiluxes are similar in size, why shouldn't the 0.95 counterparts be similar? I love my 35mm FLE, but the rendering of the 0.95 on top of that means I would buy it for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted December 2, 2012 Share #15 Posted December 2, 2012 A Nocti asph 35 around f1 would have a huge front lens - surely an issue with the OVF of Leica M... but not with the EVF of M240... ... so I wouldn't be surprised if they have one on the drawing board : right product for some "intermediate" announcement some day: the price, which logically would be over the Nocti 50 will make me stand away, of course. Maybe Leica will make a flash shoe mounted external viewfinder with built in stilts to be able to see over the massive front element and lens hood of the 35mm Noctilux. No doubt such a lens would be unaffordable to we mere mortals - but it would still be interesting to see such a beast on the market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted December 2, 2012 Share #16 Posted December 2, 2012 looks like voigtlander have the market sewn up. nokton 1.2 for the win Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 2, 2012 Share #17 Posted December 2, 2012 looks like voigtlander have the market sewn up. nokton 1.2 for the win If speed and price were the only determining factors I might agree but the (half a stop) slower and (much) more expensive 35/1.4 Summilux asph is still heavily in demand. Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarcRF Posted December 2, 2012 Share #18 Posted December 2, 2012 i dont think it will come. why should it. leica has already problems with producing enough lenses for the current market. if they bring out the 35 noctilux every rich guy will jump on it and their aspherical polishing machines will never come to rest. to me the summiluxes are the border of usability. noctilux like lenses are just too heavy and big to be perfectly useful. but as with the 50 apo asph summicron, leica can show what they can achieve (and probably the wide angle summiluxes too) the glass for the noctilux takes 6 months to arrive at leica. 3 months of cooling down in special rooms. i guess the 35 would need the same glass. hard to imagine a company would shoulder this burden twice.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share #19 Posted December 2, 2012 If speed and price were the only determining factors I might agree but the (half a stop) slower and (much) more expensive 35/1.4 Summilux asph is still heavily in demand. Pete. Don't forget size and weight. The Nokton f1.2 is pretty big for an M lens, about the size of my 90mm Summicron E55. Though I like this Nokton's rendering enough to lug it around with me at night, for general shooting I'd go for the Summilux (but I don't have one ). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share #20 Posted December 2, 2012 to me the summiluxes are the border of usability. noctilux like lenses are just too heavy and big to be perfectly useful. but as with the 50 apo asph summicron, leica can show what they can achieve (and probably the wide angle summiluxes too) The Noctilux is/would be/has always been a speciality lens. Like a classic roadster, you'd probably only use it a couple of times a month or a week for that special thrill. But once you go f1.2, it's hard to come back. It may be just half a stop, but there's some kind of inexplicable magic involved. Hard to explain in words. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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