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#1 Steve Ash

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 12:40

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In these rainy film days I would like to brighten you with this news:

- ADOX SILVERMAX

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 17:14

Great Adox!

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 22:45

Have to try it. Must it be developed in their developer to get the right results or is that just marketing on their part

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Posted 08 September 2012 - 23:09

If I can find some when there, I will bring some back from Photokina. Looks interesting.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:10

Have to try it. Must it be developed in their developer to get the right results or is that just marketing on their part


If it is like CMS 20, their developer (Adotech II) makes a huge difference.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 12:11

Interesting side note:

"+++ PAN 400 is ready for production but due to the sudden changes at Fotokemika who manufactured the CHS line of films for us we had to prioritize and decided to invest in the remanufacturing of a 100 ASA material at first+++"

- ADOX PAN 400 -
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 02:36

I wonder how long it will be till we can actually lay hands on a few rolls of this film? It sounds like a very interesting emulsion.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 20:00

I saw that it is listed in the Fotoimpex shop now (price is in line with the EOL'd Adox CHS films, by the way), so my guess is it will be available soon after Photokina ...

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 20:36

the ad makes no sense. the amount of silver in a film cannot be increased or decreased above a certain optimum. the distribution of silver particles has to be just so, to achieve uniformity and image quality. this is all nonsense.

this really irks me.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 21:15

the ad makes no sense. the amount of silver in a film cannot be increased or decreased above a certain optimum.


High resolution films with a higher silver content have been doing the rounds for many years. The last was perhaps 'Gigabit' (that came in many sizes) based on microfilm emulsion and which also needed its own developer to get the best results out of it.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 07:08

Once I've finished the CMS 20 I have just received from Fotoimpex, I may give this a try. Looks interesting.
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Posted 13 September 2012 - 08:00

Certainly an interesting film...


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Posted 13 September 2012 - 14:59

High resolution films with a higher silver content have been doing the rounds for many years. The last was perhaps 'Gigabit' (that came in many sizes) based on microfilm emulsion and which also needed its own developer to get the best results out of it.

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High resolution films are thin emulsion fine grain films. If anything, they have less silver. Fast films have several layers.

I assure you this description is nonsensical.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 17:35

Just ordered.
As soon as the film arrives, I post some pics.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 18:02

High resolution films are thin emulsion fine grain films. If anything, they have less silver. Fast films have several layers.

I assure you this description is nonsensical.


There are hundreds of threads in many photo forums about film and paper emulsions having more or less silver depending on the result the manufacturer is after. So just Google some threads and make a special point of telling them they are wrong because you are confusing me with somebody who cares about what you say.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 23:19

There are hundreds of threads in many photo forums about film and paper emulsions having more or less silver depending on the result the manufacturer is after. So just Google some threads and make a special point of telling them they are wrong because you are confusing me with somebody who cares about what you say.

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The 'hundreds of threads' you refer to are not written by emulsion scientists. Emulsions may have more or less silver for reasons having nothing to do with anything related to what most people believe. Kodachrome films had silver filter layers, whereas chromogenic films have dye filter layers. What I am saying is that what this ad says it total nonsense. Manufacturers don't put more or less silver in an emulsion just for the hell of it. Image quality is not improved by gratuitous additions of silver. Emulsion making is very precise. This ad, I say, is total nonsense.

The distribution of silver particles, their shape, size, number of layers, sensitization, etc., all matter. Film has gold in it too.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 23:35

(...) Manufacturers don't put more or less silver in an emulsion just for the hell of it. Image quality is not improved by gratuitous additions of silver. (...)


This manufacturer claims that the maximum density of this product is greater than the maximum density of other products and that this was achieved by using more silver. Yet you appear to be saying that a film with a higher density can not be achieved with more silver. Is that so?

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 23:38

This manufacturer claims that the maximum density of this product is greater than the maximum density of other products and that this was achieved by using more silver. Yet you appear to be saying that a film with a higher density can not be achieved with more silver. Is that so?


That claim is nonsense. You don't want 'maximum density' in a film. You want delicate highlights that can be printed and shadow detail. The range of tones captured is limited by what can be printed. Look at Tri-X film curve. The maximum density of a good a good B&W negative has nowhere near the maximum density that the film is capable of. Paper is another matter entirely.

The range of densities used in good negatives is rather short and comes nowhere near the maximum of which the film is capable. Shadow detail is a little above the minimum, and highlights are nowhere near the maximum.

That does not mean that it is a bad film. What I am saying is that ad is rubbish.

Edited by Larcomb, 13 September 2012 - 23:45.

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Posted 13 September 2012 - 23:50

(...) The range of densities used in good negatives is rather short and comes nowhere near the maximum of which the film is capable. (...)


Would that not translate into a considerable tolerance of over-exposure?

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:32

I'll bless any company releasing new films! Once my Leica Year is over I'll test a brick of it! :) YAY! Only drawback I can see so far is that it only seems to be available in 35mm.




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