IWC Doppel Posted July 5, 2012 Share #1 Posted July 5, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's easier to give full titles than debate acronyms As the other OP thread seems a little hijacked I thought I would start another I didn't have time to set up a tripod, so not an exact comparison but show some differences. Both ISO, both 1/60th, both f1.4 I adjusted both the 3750, the ASPHERICAL chose 4000 on auto. The ASPHERICAL is on top. Two bottles of wine hardly insightful but I can see the slightly different characters even on this example Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/183177-35mm-summilux-asph-vd-35mm-summilux-aspherical/?do=findComment&comment=2056141'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 5, 2012 Posted July 5, 2012 Hi IWC Doppel, Take a look here 35mm Summilux ASPH. vd 35mm Summilux ASPHERICAL. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
myinoshi Posted July 5, 2012 Share #2 Posted July 5, 2012 I actually like the ASPH version over the Aspherical. The ASPH has Bokeh that is more creamy. My personal opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hosermage Posted July 5, 2012 Share #3 Posted July 5, 2012 Me, too, like the bottom version better. The bokeh has a more complete edit around the whole circle. The top version seems to have only half-circle of defined edge. Ideally, I would rather the bokehs have no edge at all and just subtly blend into the background, but a full circle effect is better than a half circle (seems incomplete). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 5, 2012 Share #4 Posted July 5, 2012 Thanks so much for the test VERY useful and interesting! I do prefer the ASPH. I would like to see how the fle fairs amongst them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted July 5, 2012 Share #5 Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Thank you for this example of both lenses! I appreciate it very much, as one may find many statements about the ASPHERICAL, but never sees any results from this lens. It's one of the "Arlesiennes" among Leica lenses, much talked about but never seen. So your picture is real pioneer's work. I'd support what was already said, though the differences are very subtle. The small lights and reflections in the middle section look smoother on the second imagine, less fuzzy. In the sector from the father distance in the open door at right I see even less differences between both lenses. The scripture on bot bottles seems to be somewhat contrastier on the second example. Could you give cropped examples - perhaps from the oil bottle at left, the sharpest section and the "bokeh" section in the center and right? It's good you didn't say, whether the asph was the "old" one or the new version "FLE." This leaves some room for guessing. Edited July 5, 2012 by UliWer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted July 5, 2012 Share #6 Posted July 5, 2012 Both are nice but I prefer the second ... i. e. the Asph, not the Aspherical. If I understand correctly then it's the first Asph, i. e. not the Floating Elements version. Right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 5, 2012 Share #7 Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I like the bottom one the best, but if they're hand held who knows what the real outcome would be with tripod which is the only way to do a A versus B comparison. Edited July 5, 2012 by algrove Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 6, 2012 Share #8 Posted July 6, 2012 Thanks for posting this comparison, IWC. Judging by the out of focus specular highlight discs to the left of the door the Asph is the better corrected of the two for spherical aberration because light distribution is even but in the top image the discs are clearly brighter at the edges. This is perhaps not surprising since the Aspherical lens has two hand-ground aspherical elements so the correction is likely to be affected by the cumulative effect of tiny errors in either of the ground surfaces. Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 6, 2012 Share #9 Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) The relative softness of the aspherical on edges looks more obvious than bokeh difference IMO but i'm on a laptop here so i may be wrong. BTW, at this level of pixel peeping, might i suggest to use a tripod? Edited July 6, 2012 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share #10 Posted July 6, 2012 Interesting responses. The two lenses I am comparing are the 35mm Summilux ASPHERICAL 11873 and the 35mm ASPH. 11874 Yes the ASPHERICAL is 'looser' with a little more movement in the bokeh, The ASPH. is a little more polite, smoother and more polished. Here are a few more that show how the bokeh renders for the ASPHERICAL, for me I think it's wonderful, it somehow adds a little life/movement to the image without being harsh or too distracting. What you won't see is the more 3D in how it renders on such small compressed images, it does have superb image depth.The notes I made on the previous threads cover my observations so far. I will provides some comparisons on a tripod. A few pictures from last night and one from my cafe of the owner, you will note the Bokeh has life, but supports and doesnt distract for me. I chose one of the potentially most distracting of the garden I am still really loving this lens all below 35mm Summilux ASPHERICAL f1.4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/183177-35mm-summilux-asph-vd-35mm-summilux-aspherical/?do=findComment&comment=2056439'>More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share #11 Posted July 6, 2012 PS.... I will get the tripod out and blow up some image parts over the weekend 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giovanni Posted July 6, 2012 Share #12 Posted July 6, 2012 The comparison is really very interesting, thank you for sharing. Both lenses have beautiful bokeh. As far as it is possible to judge from a single image, I'd vote for ASPHERICAL. Probably it is not only matter of OOF areas but also of general rendition all over the image field. Anyway.... I think you are very lucky to own both!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 6, 2012 Share #13 Posted July 6, 2012 I must agree that your shots here with the aspherical are wonderful and the bokeh does indeed contribute to a sense of life and movement. Not something I've really seen in a lot of lenses. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 6, 2012 Share #14 Posted July 6, 2012 Nice comparison. It's rare to see results of the Aspherical. I'd, however, go for the Chateau Musar over Labouré-Roi. S-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ophyls Posted July 6, 2012 Share #15 Posted July 6, 2012 Er...guys pardon my ignorance but isn't ASPH just ASPHERIC abbreviated so which one of the two is the newer one with the FLE? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkoush Posted July 6, 2012 Share #16 Posted July 6, 2012 Very interesting thread, thanks for showing these examples. I find the ASPHERICAL more interestingly pleasing than the ASPH one. I agree that the ASPH bokeh looks smoother, but the ASPHERICAL bokeh adds something to the image (hard to define what) that I find intriguing. It reminds me a little bit of the latest pre-ASPH version of the E46 50mm Summilux. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 6, 2012 Share #17 Posted July 6, 2012 Er...guys pardon my ignorance but isn't ASPH just ASPHERIC abbreviated so which one of the two is the newer one with the FLE? Afraid not. The ASPHERICAL was the first version following the pre-asph and the ASPH is the first version following the ASPHERICAL. (Capitals are Leica's not mine.) The ASPHERICAL contained two hand-ground aspherical elements but the ASPH contains one machined aspherical element. The FLE (floating lens element) followed the ASPH and is the current ASPH version; the floating elements moves independently of the others to compensate for focussing errors that are inherent in the optical design. I believe none of the pictures in this thread were taken with the FLE. Pete. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 6, 2012 Share #18 Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) Nice comparison. It's rare to see results of the Aspherical. I'd, however, go for the Chateau Musar over Labouré-Roi. S-) Welcome to the forum, Scarlet! Pete. Edited July 6, 2012 by farnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share #19 Posted July 6, 2012 Nice comparison. It's rare to see results of the Aspherical. I'd, however, go for the Chateau Musar over Labouré-Roi. S-) I hoped it wouldn't be too pretentious to put two £10 plus bottle of wines in a picture, the trouble is I had run out of everyday plonk and had to go into my special occasions stock They are still both unopened ! I prefer the Musar too Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share #20 Posted July 6, 2012 A plug for the very helpful Leica Wiki Details on the 35mm Summilux ASPHERICAL http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/35mm_f/1.4_Aspherical_Summilux-M The 35mm Summilux ASPH. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/35mm_f/1.4_ASPH_Summilux-M Also to help with any confusion a link to the current 35mm Summilux ASPH.FLE http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/35mm_f/1.4_ASPH.fle_Summilux-M which is a lens I do not own and is not yet in this comparison (I may be able to borrow one at some time in the future) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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