pgk Posted February 18, 2012 Share #1 Posted February 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I own a 1967 black copy of this iconic lens - from the Wiki it appears that less than 6000 were made. Despite its drawbacks with digital I still find it to be a lovely lens to use, flaws and all. Rather surprisingly Schneider still provide some (limited) data on their website concerning this lens: Super-Angulon 3.4/21mm OPTO-MECHANICAL DATA (with lens focused at infinity) Lens Elements, Groups 8, 4 Filter Mounting Thread M 48 X 0.75 Max. f stop 22 Push-On Filter Size 52.5mm Max. Outer Diameter 52.5mm Weight 260g Overall Length 50mm IMAGE DATA (with lens focused at infinity) Recommended Format (negative) Size 24 X 36 mm OPTICAL DATA (with lens focused at infinity) Effective Focal Length (F') - 21.6mm Back Focal Length (S'F') - 8.3mm Principal Point Separation (HH') - 20.2mm Shortest Image Distance (S'O') - 0.4m However I am interested in other data such as designer and year of design (I know it was available from 1963 onwards). I'd like some distortion figures (I will have to measure these myself if there are none available. If anyone has any of this or other useful information about this lens please can you post it as I would like to find out as much as I can about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 18, 2012 Posted February 18, 2012 Hi pgk, Take a look here 21mm f/3.4 Super-Angulon information wanted. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #2 Posted February 18, 2012 Pat. Nr. 1279959 Designer: Wagner Date 14.08.1963 regards, Jan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted February 18, 2012 Share #3 Posted February 18, 2012 Page 396 of Erwin Puts's 'Leica Compendium' describes it as a 9 element construction, each of which is made from a different type of glass. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #4 Posted February 18, 2012 Page 396 of Erwin Puts's 'Leica Compendium' describes it as a 9 element construction, each of which is made from a different type of glass. that is wrong.... 8 elements in 4 groups.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #5 Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! from the Book "SCHNEIDER-Objektive für Foto, Film und Fernsehen" 1971 It is interesting to specify the angle of view, in the text is spoken of 92 degrees and 90 degrees in the data sheet. One statement is probably true for the 24x36 mm and the other for the real negatives about 25x37, 2 mm. regards, Jan Edited February 18, 2012 by telewatt Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! from the Book "SCHNEIDER-Objektive für Foto, Film und Fernsehen" 1971 It is interesting to specify the angle of view, in the text is spoken of 92 degrees and 90 degrees in the data sheet. One statement is probably true for the 24x36 mm and the other for the real negatives about 25x37, 2 mm. regards, Jan ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/172974-21mm-f34-super-angulon-information-wanted/?do=findComment&comment=1930531'>More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #6 Posted February 18, 2012 Page 396 of Erwin Puts's 'Leica Compendium' describes it as a 9 element construction, each of which is made from a different type of glass. Keith, are you sure we are talking about the same Super-Angulon? The older Super-Angulon 4/21mm lenses had 9 elements!... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/172974-21mm-f34-super-angulon-information-wanted/?do=findComment&comment=1930571'>More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 18, 2012 Share #7 Posted February 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) One statement is probably true for the 24x36 cm and the other for the real negatives about 25x37, 2 cm. 24x36 cm ? Must be the large format version... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #8 Posted February 18, 2012 ...Thanks Tom!....mm... now it ist corrected.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted February 18, 2012 Share #9 Posted February 18, 2012 Jan - Page 396 para 7.2.5 Super-Angulon 21mm f/3.4 "In 1963 the Super-Angulon 1:3.4 / 21mm superseded the f/4 model. The same optical cell has been used for the M and R versions. It is a complex design with 9 elements..." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share #10 Posted February 18, 2012 I have owned the 21mm f/3.4 Super Angulon R and it certainly looked identical in terms of its optics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #11 Posted February 18, 2012 Jan - Page 396 para 7.2.5 Super-Angulon 21mm f/3.4 "In 1963 the Super-Angulon 1:3.4 / 21mm superseded the f/4 model. The same optical cell has been used for the M and R versions. It is a complex design with 9 elements..." Thanks Keith......that is a mistake of Puts.... regards, Jan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #12 Posted February 18, 2012 I have owned the 21mm f/3.4 Super Angulon R and it certainly looked identical in terms of its optics. yes it is the same formula... regards, Jan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 18, 2012 Share #13 Posted February 18, 2012 I have owned the 21mm f/3.4 Super Angulon R and it certainly looked identical in terms of its optics. Yes the two Super Angulons f 3,4 - M and R - have indeed the same schema - symmetrical with 8 elements - even if the glass elements are machined differently : infact, the R version needed to have the mirror flipped up for using. On the contrary, the two f 4 (previous one for M - later one for R) have nothing in common. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdavis Posted February 18, 2012 Share #14 Posted February 18, 2012 Patent design by Wagner - Adam or Erich? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #15 Posted February 18, 2012 Patent design by Wagner - Adam or Erich? Usually there are several who are working on a development, the name is probably in the patent and I have only the name "Wagner"..... I forgot to tell the name of the author, sorry!.. "Hartmut Thiele-150 Jahre Photooptik in Deutschland 1849-1999" (150 years of Photo-Lenses made in Germany) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 18, 2012 Share #16 Posted February 18, 2012 About the "authors" of the Super Angulon, is worth remembering that all the optical designs of those lenses (including the last - f4 for R) originated indeed at Schneider-Kreuznach . I think the chief designer was Walter Woeltche. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 18, 2012 Share #17 Posted February 18, 2012 About the "authors" of the Super Angulon, is worth remembering that all the optical designs of those lenses (including the last - f4 for R) originated indeed at Schneider-Kreuznach . I think the chief designer was Walter Woeltche. Luigi, the only informations he has are from the patent documents, with the number of the patent the Date of get in and the date of Communication on the patent for grant and the person who is registered! Whether that is true from the internal process, I can not say, hence my comment in the development you are working in a team. the Communication on the patent for grant was 1969! some years later! regards, Jan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted February 19, 2012 Share #18 Posted February 19, 2012 I bought a silver one in the early 70's and I used and loved a lot this lens using M3's, added a black version later, for the collection as I consider them as little gems. Thanks for all the infos you added in this thread. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted February 19, 2012 Share #19 Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Thanks jc....The Super-Angulon is my great love! as a Photographer!... So I try a lot to know from the history or understand why it is so fascinating!.... regards, Jan Edited February 19, 2012 by telewatt Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted February 19, 2012 Share #20 Posted February 19, 2012 Yes - it's fine fine FINE !!! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/172974-21mm-f34-super-angulon-information-wanted/?do=findComment&comment=1931514'>More sharing options...
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