Pecole Posted April 29, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Leitz trial in the movie camera sector has hardly been a great success. But a Leitz-Leica collection must include a Leicina ! We had two in the Fontenelle collection : the original 8S of 1960 with its built-in fixed-focus 15mm Dygon f/2 lens and 9mm Dygon f/2 wide angle converter attachment, and the 1962 8SV with built-in 7.5-35mm f/1.8 Angénieux lens. There were other models we did not have : Leicina 8V, Super, Super RT-1 and Special. There was also a Leitz Canada 16mm camera gun mounted on jet fighters, we had one, but I did not trace the photos to date... The Leicina 8S (foreground) and 8SV : [ATTACH]255297[/ATTACH] Leicina 8S : [ATTACH]255298[/ATTACH] Leicina 8S with its attached Dygon 15mm lens and the Dygon 9mm attachment : [ATTACH]255299[/ATTACH] The Leicina 8SV with Angénieux vario lens : [ATTACH]255300[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]255301[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]255302[/ATTACH] 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 29, 2011 Posted April 29, 2011 Hi Pecole, Take a look here Fontenelle archives 71 : Leicina. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
alan mcfall Posted November 2, 2015 Share #2 Posted November 2, 2015 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes, every collection should have a leicina. But, more than 40 seems excessive. They are so precision and so well built that they were once irresistible. The attached image shows the standard 8mm cameras, as well noted, these are the models 8S, 8V, and 8SV.The serial numbers of the 8S would seem to run from 1000 up to around 29,000 for fairly large production. The 8V was more limited, with serials I have recorded from 31366 to 33371. And, finally the 8SV from 33852 up to 57666. The early SV had an Angeniux, while late production had a leicina vario lens. If anyone has the exact production data, I would appreciate it. These cameras are about 50 years old, and all still function properly. A great tribute to leitz engineering and quality. An equally precision projector, the cinovid, was available. Regular 8mm was quickly replace with super 8, at least in the US. I will shortly add a post showing the Super 8 leica cameras, the Super, Super RT1 and, still a favorite, the Special. Although not so collectible today, we can be reminded of a time when Leitz dreamed of dominating the home movie world. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Yes, every collection should have a leicina. But, more than 40 seems excessive. They are so precision and so well built that they were once irresistible. The attached image shows the standard 8mm cameras, as well noted, these are the models 8S, 8V, and 8SV.The serial numbers of the 8S would seem to run from 1000 up to around 29,000 for fairly large production. The 8V was more limited, with serials I have recorded from 31366 to 33371. And, finally the 8SV from 33852 up to 57666. The early SV had an Angeniux, while late production had a leicina vario lens. If anyone has the exact production data, I would appreciate it. These cameras are about 50 years old, and all still function properly. A great tribute to leitz engineering and quality. An equally precision projector, the cinovid, was available. Regular 8mm was quickly replace with super 8, at least in the US. I will shortly add a post showing the Super 8 leica cameras, the Super, Super RT1 and, still a favorite, the Special. Although not so collectible today, we can be reminded of a time when Leitz dreamed of dominating the home movie world. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150517-fontenelle-archives-71-leicina/?do=findComment&comment=2918924'>More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted November 2, 2015 Share #3 Posted November 2, 2015 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here is a photo of the Leitz super 8 movie cameras. Included is the model Super, Super RT1 and the very interesting Special. I have serial numbers for the Super from 67511 up to 74350 and for the RT1 from 71119 to 79918, so there may have been some overlap in production. Most likely, less than 10,000 of each model were made. Unless someone has better information. The Special is sill collectible, primarily because M mount camera lens can be mounted on the Special. Two lenses were available directly on the special, the 10mm macro-cinegon and the outstanding, 6-66 zoon Optivaron with or without Leicinamatic. There were many other options for this camera, including remote controls and sound synchronization. Serial numbers for the Special seem to begin at 80,000 and the highest I have recorded is 83481, so production was not high. Due to the smaller film format, M (or screwmount with adaptor) lenses yielded a increase in focal length of approximately 6-6.2. So a 90mm submicron became a 540+ lens with an accompanying reduction in speed. I have enjoyed using the Special on my 560 Telyt lenses which is somewhat equivalent to a 3300mm lens. Can only be used in the brightest light with strong and firm mounting; even then the effects of thermal distortion can often be seen. It wasn't long before the video recording camera made the movie film thrill drop to only a few enthusiasts. I certainly agree that Leitz probably did not do well financially in the movie business, but no one can say they did not give a great effort and deliver very high quality products. All of my Super and Special cameras still work fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here is a photo of the Leitz super 8 movie cameras. Included is the model Super, Super RT1 and the very interesting Special. I have serial numbers for the Super from 67511 up to 74350 and for the RT1 from 71119 to 79918, so there may have been some overlap in production. Most likely, less than 10,000 of each model were made. Unless someone has better information. The Special is sill collectible, primarily because M mount camera lens can be mounted on the Special. Two lenses were available directly on the special, the 10mm macro-cinegon and the outstanding, 6-66 zoon Optivaron with or without Leicinamatic. There were many other options for this camera, including remote controls and sound synchronization. Serial numbers for the Special seem to begin at 80,000 and the highest I have recorded is 83481, so production was not high. Due to the smaller film format, M (or screwmount with adaptor) lenses yielded a increase in focal length of approximately 6-6.2. So a 90mm submicron became a 540+ lens with an accompanying reduction in speed. I have enjoyed using the Special on my 560 Telyt lenses which is somewhat equivalent to a 3300mm lens. Can only be used in the brightest light with strong and firm mounting; even then the effects of thermal distortion can often be seen. It wasn't long before the video recording camera made the movie film thrill drop to only a few enthusiasts. I certainly agree that Leitz probably did not do well financially in the movie business, but no one can say they did not give a great effort and deliver very high quality products. All of my Super and Special cameras still work fine. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150517-fontenelle-archives-71-leicina/?do=findComment&comment=2918934'>More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 2, 2015 Share #4 Posted November 2, 2015 Hi, I have just 2 Special with 6-66 zoom Optivaron 80xxx & 82xxx Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150517-fontenelle-archives-71-leicina/?do=findComment&comment=2919188'>More sharing options...
ph. Posted November 2, 2015 Share #5 Posted November 2, 2015 The add ons for the 2x8 included a 6,25mm f2, as well as a 36mm f.2. and the Variogon 8-48 f. 1,8 for the 8v is engraved Leitz, not Schneider. The Cinovid projector came in an early, manually threaded version and a later one which formed its own loops. One of he projection lenses was the Elkinon 18mm f.1,3. p Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted November 3, 2015 Since reference was made to my April 2011 thread on Leicinas, I noticed that I had mentioned the Leitz Canada 16 mm camera and said - then - that I couldn't trace a photo. I do not remember if I had the occasion of publish it in the course of the past 7 years, but now that I have put most of my archives in order, I found it easily, and attach it in case... This N9 Camera Gun comes form a Belgian Air Force's Lockheed F-104G (I used to be a Captain at the BAF...). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150517-fontenelle-archives-71-leicina/?do=findComment&comment=2919932'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 3, 2015 Share #7 Posted November 3, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) FWIW I have here at home a friend's Leitz Cinovid Projector. I said that I would sell it for her but even the local camera shop (quote knowledgable about Leica) are unable to sell it. Its unusual and I can find out little about it but at the moment it is a rather large paperweight which I'm trying to figure out a use for. Does anyone know anything about these projectors? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 3, 2015 Share #8 Posted November 3, 2015 FWIW I have here at home a friend's Leitz Cinovid Projector. As I recall they had a real Flash Gordon looking bulb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 4, 2015 Share #9 Posted November 4, 2015 As I recall they had a real Flash Gordon looking bulb. Described in the instructions as an 8-volt, 50-watt ellipsoidal reflector lamp, it is very silvery, rounded and very 'Flashy' indeed, in a late 1950s sort of a way, as you say. The lens is described as an 18mm f/1.3 Elkinon. It is clearly a Leitz product as Leitz's details are cast into the metal base but I wonder where the design and manufacture expertise came from as its a well put together product. The instructions look as though they were printed in 1964? but the projector itself was bought (according to the warranty card) in December 1965 from the 'sole agents in East Africa' J S Karmali Ltd of Nairobi. So it has travelled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 4, 2015 Share #10 Posted November 4, 2015 Cinovid on EBay never exceed 50 euros when there are 'mint' usually they are in the 25 euros average this is due certainly because they are in 8mm and not in Super 8. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 4, 2015 Share #11 Posted November 4, 2015 Cinovid on EBay never exceed 50 euros when there are 'mint' usually they are in the 25 euros average this is due certainly because they are in 8mm and not in Super 8. Its such a shame that they are now virtually useless and of so little value/interest. Beautifully made with a nicely designed cover. I suspect that I have a rather large paperweight as I can't actually bring myself to throw it away and ebay, whilst an option, is also problematic due to the weight of the Cinovid. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph. Posted November 4, 2015 Share #12 Posted November 4, 2015 Do not worry, Like all Leitz products, collectors will eventually realize their worth. Look at the humble ABLON. p, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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