jc_braconi Posted March 29, 2011 Share #1 Posted March 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) 14112, 14413 and 14114 or the FOCORAPID and its respective lens head attachment for the 4 or 4.5/135, the 4.5/200 and the 4.8/280, Made in Canada, issued in 1963 for the Visoflex II & III destined for specific uses, mainly sporting view, with the possibility to prefocus on 3 distances. Ergonomically well designed, the base is egg shaped and fit well in your left hand palm and using the thumb move the telescopic body by the horizontal lever rapidly. A knurled cone shaped button allows, by rotation, to adjust a fine focusing. Illustrated by the picts of the containing box. The complete assembly with the 280 lens head mounted, the 135 and 200 lens heads on their respective attachment. In the second post 3 picts no PPed taken with the 3 lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/147607-14111/?do=findComment&comment=1629743'>More sharing options...
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jc_braconi Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share #2 Posted March 29, 2011 135 - 200 - 280 and M8 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/147607-14111/?do=findComment&comment=1629744'>More sharing options...
telewatt Posted March 29, 2011 Share #3 Posted March 29, 2011 very nice set! regards, Jan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganzosrevenge Posted March 29, 2011 Share #4 Posted March 29, 2011 BEAUTIFUL shots! makes me yearn to see my leica come home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted March 30, 2011 Share #5 Posted March 30, 2011 Hello Jean Claude, Nice photos & nice oufit. Can you screw the lens head of a Tele-Elmar into one of those adapters & will it then fit into the Focorapid such that it still focuses without interfering with anything even if it does not focus to infinity? Also, once assembled how many millimeters does the mechanism slide the lens forward between furthest & nearest focus? Best Regards, Michael Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 30, 2011 Share #6 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) Very fine item, JC... even the box is perfect.. Given some recent discussions... a question arises to my mind : can you fit also the 280V3 lens head ? I suppose no... the Focorapid was a sort of predecessor of the Televit and the 280 V3 was tailored to this last... but given that V3 lenshead can fit V2 focus mount... Edited March 30, 2011 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted March 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Michael, Luigi, there is noway to use the Tele Elmar 135 Mk I or II same for the Telyt 280 V3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 30, 2011 Share #8 Posted March 30, 2011 Michael, Luigi, there is noway to use the Tele Elmar 135 Mk I or II same for the Telyt 280 V3 JC, Thanks for the info. Very interesting indeed. Just too bad the Focorapid won't work with those lenses. Best, K-H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 30, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted March 30, 2011 (edited) JC, Thanks for the info. Very interesting indeed. Just too bad the Focorapid won't work with those lenses. Best, K-H. It was an innovation 40 years ago. Other times other lenses. You can see that it works well with the ones I used. The 135 is from 1961 The 200 is from 1955 The 280 is from 1963 I forgot to mention that the lens head from the Telyt 4/200 can be screwed/used without adapter. Edited March 31, 2011 by jc_braconi 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted May 20, 2011 Share #10 Posted May 20, 2011 Very fine item, JC... even the box is perfect.. Given some recent discussions... a question arises to my mind : can you fit also the 280V3 lens head ? I suppose no... the Focorapid was a sort of predecessor of the Televit and the 280 V3 was tailored to this last... but given that V3 lenshead can fit V2 focus mount... Hello Luigi, I suppose yes :-) I have used all my 280mm Telyt heads with the Focorapid (type 1, 2 and 3). Actually, I am strongly preferring the head of the 280mm Telyt type 3 because of its clearly superior optical performance. As with ALL 280mm Telyt heads, I am generally skipping the adapter 14112 when using them with the Focorapid (type 1 and 2 screw into the Focorapid directly, type 3 needs a minor modification). Skipping the adapter 14112 makes a lot of sense: - Because the adapter adds length and weight in FRONT of the Focorapid, it makes the Focorapid's focusing mechanism too slow! - If the adapter is replaced with 1 or 2 distance rings 14169 BEHIND the Focorapid (to substitute for the missing length of the adpater), handling and focusing of the Focorapid becomes MUCH more fluid (easier) with 280mm heads. - the head of the 280mm Telyt type 3 can ONLY be used with the Focorapid, if the adapter 14112 is skipped. The general formula is: Visoflex2/3 - 14169 - (14169) - Focorapid - head of 280mm Telyt. Best wishes, Telyt2003 PS: I know the discussion on the (late) 280mm Telyt type 3 heads. Mine would NOT screw directly into the bellows, but only into the Televit (the threads are slightly (!) different). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #11 Posted June 11, 2011 Hello Luigi,I suppose yes :-) I have used all my 280mm Telyt heads with the Focorapid (type 1, 2 and 3). ... Please ignore my first post in this thread (post #10). It is a duplication of another post (post #11). Sorry for the inconvenience. Additionally, in post #11 I have corrected a typo in post #10 (It should read "16469/OUFRO" instead of "14169"). I am referring to the simple distance/macro ring with M-bajonets. Best, Telyt2003 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 5, 2011 Share #12 Posted July 5, 2011 Hello Jean Claude, ..., once assembled how many millimeters does the mechanism slide the lens forward between furthest & nearest focus? Best Regards, Michael Hi Michael, the Focorapid's focusing mechanism allows a maximum extension of 32,5 mm. Best regards, Telyt2003 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 5, 2011 Share #13 Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) ... Can you screw the lens head of a Tele-Elmar into one of those adapters & will it then fit into the Focorapid such that it still focuses without interfering with anything even if it does not focus to infinity? ... Best Regards, Michael Hi Michael, yes, we can! (albeit not with the original adapters): If you don't care to retain the normal focus range, Focorapid adapters for many lenses can be easily obtained with E46 step-down/[up] (filter) adapters. According to Gerd Heuser (LUF 61159 from Febr. 2005) the thread of the Telyt 200/4 head is 46 x 0,75. Since this thread is apparently shared among the heads of the Telyt 200/4, the old Summicron 90/2, the Elmarit 135/2,8, and all Telyts 280/4,8, the "Focorapid thread" should be 46 x 0,75. This can be checked with a filter E46 x 0,75: It easily screws into the Focorapid's thread. In conclusion, what you probably need to screw the head of the Tele-Elmar 135/4 into the Focorapid for macro use, is a step-down filter adapter ring E46 to one of the two threads of this lens head. The Focorapid adapters 14114 and 14113 also should be replacible in such a way . This is interesting, because they are not easy to find. (Please keep in mind that filter adapters are not thought to carry heavy lens heads. Take care!) (The Focorapid adapters 14112 and 98311 are anyway not (really) needed). Best regards, Telyt2003 PS: The Tele-Elmar 135/4 head cannot be screwed into the Focorapid adapter 14114 (because the shared thread of Hektor 135 and Elmar 135/4 mm lens heads is different). PPS: I had already answered your question in the Visoflex interest group, you may have seen it there. Disclaimer: Whatever you try, please be careful! You do it in your own responsibility! Edited July 5, 2011 by Telyt2003 typo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3p5 Posted May 22, 2015 Share #14 Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Hektor 135/4.5 and Elmar 135/4 mm lens head threads are all 43mmx0.75. Tele-Elmar 135/4, Elmarit 90/2.8, Elmar 65/3.5, and Elamr 90/4 lens head threads are all 33mmx0.75. Edited May 22, 2015 by f3p5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3p5 Posted May 22, 2015 Share #15 Posted May 22, 2015 Can Elmarit 135/2.8 lens head be directly connected to Focorapid? If it can, then it should be more pretty to look than that from Hektor 135/4.5 and Elmar 135/4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 22, 2015 Share #16 Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Mechanically, I think it can... the head of the Elmarit 135 2,8 has the same thread as the head of the 280V2 (46 mm) : I am sure of this, just verified with my items (both, for instance, can use my 16598 ring to fit Bellows II); but having me NOT a Focorapid ... don't dare to say anything about the focus range one can achieve mounting the Elmarit lenshead with the adapter for Telyt 280 lenshead... by sense, the Focorapid seems "too long" (much longer than the 16462 focusing mount for the Elmarit 135 lenshead on Viso) , so that I'm sure you can't focus to infinity... of course, with a M240 one could leave apart the Viso, mount the Focorapid directly (or with a small OUFRO between) and see what happens to focus range... We are in the hands of JC, who surely can enlighten us about... Edited May 22, 2015 by luigi bertolotti 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3p5 Posted July 4, 2015 Share #17 Posted July 4, 2015 Just got the focorapid. Elmarit 135mm f2.8 lens head can be mount on focorapid directly but under the condition that no visoflex 41mm mirror box can be attached. So just mount focorapid on Leica M240 (or SONY A7 with M-E adapter) directly using LV/EVF to compose and focusing. In such way, it can be focused from inf (a little bit pass to inf) to about 0.3M. In my opinion, don't bother to using Telyt 280 lens head with focorapid. Televit is much better choice to use with Telyt 280 lens head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3p5 Posted July 4, 2015 Share #18 Posted July 4, 2015 Comparing Televit and Focorapid. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/147607-14111/?do=findComment&comment=2847540'>More sharing options...
f3p5 Posted July 4, 2015 Share #19 Posted July 4, 2015 Comparing Televit and Focorapid. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/147607-14111/?do=findComment&comment=2847542'>More sharing options...
f3p5 Posted July 4, 2015 Share #20 Posted July 4, 2015 Comparing the size of lens heads. From left: Telyt 400mm f5, Telyt 280mm f4.8 V3, Telyt 200mm f4, Elmarit 135mm f2.8. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/147607-14111/?do=findComment&comment=2847546'>More sharing options...
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