Leitz 14167 Leica M to R Lens Mount adapter

[ryee3]

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Anyone with experience using this adapter? Will all m mounted lenses work?

[giordano]

All M-mount lenses will fit, but lenses in ordinary rangefinder mounts will only focus in the macro or close-up range. That means all current and recent lenses

 

All the many older lenses and combinations designed for the Visoflex reflex adapters fit and work normally, although those designed for the Visoflex I need in addition a 16466 adapter. By "combination" I mean removing the optical unit from a 90mm or 135mm rangefinder lens and fitting it to a focusing mount or bellows designed for the Visoflex. If you search this forum for "Visoflex chart" and look through the resulting threads, you'll learn what's involved.

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[luigi bertolotti]

I haven't any Leica reflex... but about the 14167 adapter, I am curios if anyone has ever tried to put an Elmar 50 collapsible on it, retract the lenses "as needed" (paying attention to the mirror...) until it focuses to infinity...

[giordano]

I haven't any Leica reflex... but about the 14167 adapter, I am curios if anyone has ever tried to put an Elmar 50 collapsible on it, retract the lenses "as needed" (paying attention to the mirror...) until it focuses to infinity...

 

It wouldn't reach infinity, Luigi. The M mount on the 14167 will be 67.8mm from the R film plane (27.8 for the M body plus 40.0 for the Visoflex), but the difference between extended and collapsed on an Elmar 50 is only about 2cm.

[k-hawinkler]

How is the 14167 adapter different from the 14127?

May I assume that both allow M/Visoflex lenses to be mounted on an R camera?

[doubice]

How is the 14167 adapter different from the 14127?

May I assume that both allow M/Visoflex lenses to be mounted on an R camera?

 

The 14127 had an aperture scale, as it was designed for the original Leicaflex Standard which did not have TTL metering - the meter was mounted on the outside of the prism housing. It was the same meter that Leica used in the Leicameter MR for the meter-less M2, M3 and M4. At the time that the Standard was introduced, Leitz did not have the technology to produce a TTL meter and they claimed that "no TTL meter was accurate enough" for their camera. A few years later the Leicaflex SL was introduced, with its superb TTL spotmeter......

 

To use the 14127 adapter, metering is done by turning its aperture dial and the suggested setting is then trasferred to the lens. This became unnecessary with the introduction of TTL metering in the SL, SL-2 and subsequent R cameras.

 

A rather simple explanation...... There is more to it than that.

 

Unless you own a Leicaflex Standard, get the 14167 adapter. The 14127 will not provide correct TTL exposure on an R camera.

 

Best,

 

Jan

Edited April 20, 2010 by doubice

[Michael Geschlecht]

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Hello k-hawlinker,

 

The14127 was designed for the original Leicaflex w/ external meter. You adjust its aperture scale and turn the shutter speed dial until the two needles in the viewfinder are aligned. Transfer the reading on the aperture scale next to the body to the lens. The shutter speed will be what you set to align the meter needles.

 

With the 14167 simply align the needles in the viewfinder and trip the shutter.

 

If a 14127 which predates the SL is used there is a possibility that the reading will not be accurate. Leitz resolved this situation with the 14127* which was appropriately calibrated to function correctly both with the original Leicaflex and the SL. A 14127 could be sent to the factory from which it would return as a 14127*.

 

Best Regards,

 

Michael

Edited April 20, 2010 by Michael Geschlecht

[k-hawinkler]

Jan, Michael,

 

Many thanks for your explanations. Interesting.

I got my 14127 adapter as part of an auction for a 400mm f/6.8 Telyt-V.

The adapter probably should come in handy if Leica comes out with a new digital R camera.

 

Thanks again, K-H.

Edited April 20, 2010 by k-hawinkler

[doubice]

The modification that Michael mentions basically added a so-called 3rd cam to the 14127 adapter. If there is a good technician in your 'neighbourhood', he can do the same to the 14127.

 

Best,

 

Jan

[pgk]

I have a 14167 so I just tried a quick test. Mounting a 50mm M lens and then fitting it to a Canon 5D2 gives an image field of approx 44mm wide with the lens set to infinity and 40mm wide at the minimum focus (scale showing 0.7m). So its might be useful if you want to shoot some close ups I suppose - I might just try it to see just what the image quality is like. It might also be useful with longer lenses (viso types??? - does anyone know?) but I actually bought it to allow me to use LSM 'macro' lenses on an R bellows for which it is very useful.

[tobey bilek]

You can not make coll 50 or 90 mm lenses focus to infinity even collapsed. I tried.

 

You need a viso lens and short focus mount and 14167 + R camera and they work infinity to close. Ext tubes or bellows can shorten close range.

 

Viso lens head + short mount+ Camera Quest R to Nikon adapter and they make wonderful digital photos.

[Susie]

Hello k-hawlinker,

 

The14127 was designed for the original Leicaflex w/ external meter. You adjust its aperture scale and turn the shutter speed dial until the two needles in the viewfinder are aligned. Transfer the reading on the aperture scale next to the body to the lens. The shutter speed will be what you set to align the meter needles.

 

With the 14167 simply align the needles in the viewfinder and trip the shutter.

 

If a 14127 which predates the SL is used there is a possibility that the reading will not be accurate. Leitz resolved this situation with the 14127* which was appropriately calibrated to function correctly both with the original Leicaflex and the SL. A 14127 could be sent to the factory from which it would return as a 14127*.

 

Best Regards,

 

Michael

 

 

Hi Guys,

 

I recently bought a Leicaflex SL to use with my Telyt lenses rather than always having to use the Visoflex with my M cameras, which I find a bit cumbersome with the Televit set up.

 

When I got my 40cm f/5 Telyt it came with a * 14127F adapter (the * is in yellow paint). There is a single cam, operated by the iris simulator ring. Do you think this is one of the modified ones and can I use it with the meter reading I obtain in the camera. In the camera instructions, it says that using stop-down metering I should double the exposure the meter gives.

 

Does the modification ( or the 14167) fool the camera into thinking the lens has already stopped down?

 

Susie

[jc_braconi]

The one with the diaph. simulator is for the Leicaflex Mark I & II that have only one cam.

Please see doubice post above

Edited October 19, 2013 by jc_braconi

[echorec]

I have used both 14167 and 14127 on my Canon 5D and tested a lot a Visoflex lenses and also lens heads of Elmar, Elmarit 90 mm and others. All with excellent results and great fun!

[dkCambridgeshire]

Tried a 14167 with Voigtlander 15/4.5 on my R9 / DMR hoping might work in tight situations where cannot frame subjects at close quarters with 21-35mm R …but the 15mm lens will not focus at any distance. There are times when I need a wider lens on the R9 and have seen a 15mm Super Elmar R - but rear element looks as if rather too well cleaned

 

dunk 

[f3p5]

Probably there is no merit to use non Visoflex lens heads on 14167/14127.

 

I have tried Elmarit 50/2.8 collapsible with 14167.  It only can be used in a very closing up situation.

 

I have also converted 14127/14167 Leica-R mount to Nikon F and Pentax PK mount, which may or may not be reversible operations.

[duckrider]

Tried a 14167 with Voigtlander 15/4.5 on my R9 / DMR hoping might work in tight situations where cannot frame subjects at close quarters with 21-35mm R …but the 15mm lens will not focus at any distance. There are times when I need a wider lens on the R9 and have seen a 15mm Super Elmar R - but rear element looks as if rather too well cleaned

 

dunk 

Try to use the wide Heliar in reverse direction, perhaps held by Hand to the R9 in a first test, it should work. But distance to object should be a few Millimeters only and magnification very high.

Very unfortunately Leitz did never made a short (~5mm) tube for near distance with Ultra wides. Nikon did with the K1:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/nikonf2/macro/index1.htm

with such a ring there are astonishing Pictures possible, have a look to the clothespin:

http://www.nikon-fotografie.de/vbulletin/objektive-and-konverter/193213-zeiss-25-2-8-mit-nikon-pk-11a-zwischenring.html

 

 

Thomas

Edited June 30, 2015 by duckrider