leica s58 flash/m7

[Jehuda]

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i have both the leica sf24 sf58 leica flashes<The leica sf58 and SF24 work on my M9> i can only get my leica sf24 flash to work on my M7 however my new sf58 will not work on the M7> does anyone have a similar problem or is there a solution to resolve the problem?

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[Photon42]

Jehuda,

 

your formatting makes it hard to read. In addtion, you don't give much information about what exactly means will not work ....

 

I'll try however: I've got neither flash you mention. My Metz 54, however, treats the film and digital Leicas differently, when it comes to TTL. Metz is the company producing the Leica flashes, if I'm not mistaken.

 

For digital TTL mode, I have to set it to something called Manual/GNC. For all other film cameras capable of TTL flash, I need to manually set the flash back to TTL. Maybe the SF does the switch automatically, whereas the SF58 wants to be set accordingly.

 

Regards

Ivo

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[jplomley]

I'm curious if HSS works on the M7 in order to get around the otherwise ridiculously low XSync? Can anyone confirm this?

[Shootist]

On my M7 the SF58 seems to work in all modes, M/A/TTL. As I don't have any film in that camera at the moment I can't develope and look at the results.

 

When the camea is set to A, flash attached, camera turned on then flash turned on the camera sees it has a flash attached, sets the speed to the low sync speed and fires the flash.

 

Since the M7 can't tell what lens is attached you have to manually set the lens mm on the flash for the head to zoom to that mm.

 

I suspect you have not full pushed the flash into the hot shoe and it is not making contact with all the connectors in the hot shoe. Simple test for this is to push the flash into the shoe then turn the ring to lock it in place. If you can move the flash out of the shoe it wasn't originally far enough into the shoe for the locking pin to engage the hole in the shoe and make proper contact with the connectors.

[Steve Ash]

I'm curious if HSS works on the M7 in order to get around the otherwise ridiculously low XSync? Can anyone confirm this?

 

I can confirm that HSS works with the M7. There is a mistake in the user manual which was confirmed to me from Leica. I.e. it is possible to use flash at e.g. 1/1000 sec.

 

Regards

Steve

[Jehuda]

Hi: When I attach the flash to my M7 the red flash arrow pops up in the viewing screen of the M7 however when I shoot the camera it will not fire the flash . Any suggestions. Thanks mitch

[Shootist]

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Hi: When I attach the flash to my M7 the red flash arrow pops up in the viewing screen of the M7 however when I shoot the camera it will not fire the flash . Any suggestions. Thanks mitch

 

Do you have the camera set to A mode (Aperture Priority)? or are you setting the shutter speed manual?

If setting the shutter speed manually then you must be at the flash sync speed on the shutter speed dial, the jaged arrow, or have the flash set for HSS (not sure how to set that as I haven't read the manual completely).

 

Also the ambient light may be bright enough so no flash is needed.

[xjr]

Read the instructions....there is nothing wrong with 58/m7 combination.

[jhs1963]

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[jplomley]

Cracking gallery and the way its laid out is superb. Its the longest i've spent on a forum members gallery so far.

 

Did I miss something....which gallery are you referring to?

 

@ Steve, many thanks for the confirmation of HSS working on the M7. The desirability to own this unit has just increased.

[Photon42]

Did I miss something....which gallery are you referring to?

 

@ Steve, many thanks for the confirmation of HSS working on the M7. The desirability to own this unit has just increased.

 

It might be yours

[budrichard]

Did I miss something....which gallery are you referring to?

 

@ Steve, many thanks for the confirmation of HSS working on the M7. The desirability to own this unit has just increased.

 

HSS on the M7 comes at the expense of manual operation and reduced guide number.

I never use the feature and can only concieve of its use in a studio environment. The TTL flash feature of the M7 is far too attractive to give up to use HSS.-Dick

[giordano]

HSS on the M7 comes at the expense of manual operation and reduced guide number.

 

Reduced guide number is inevitable because each part of the film only gets part of the (lengthened) flash.

 

I never use the feature and can only concieve of its use in a studio environment. The TTL flash feature of the M7 is far too attractive to give up to use HSS.-Dick

 

HSS can be useful if you need fill-in flash, need an exposure shorter than 1/50 sec for the ambient light, and have to using a film Leica - i.e. not in a studio. What use is it in a studio?

[budrichard]

"HSS can be useful if you need fill-in flash, need an exposure shorter than 1/50 sec for the ambient light, and have to using a film Leica - i.e. not in a studio. What use is it in a studio?"

 

If I need to use a film camera for fill flash or shorter than 1/50, I use a camera designed for it that works in the TTL flash Mode i.e. one of my Nikons and Nikon flashes. Calculating a Guide Number and setting the correct aperture based on distance is time consuming and fraught with errors. I did it for many years doing weddings before Auto flash units became available and now with TTL flash to do otherwise seems like heading back to the stone age. Just because a feature is present such as HSS on the M7 doesn't mean it is useful. My shooting with my M7's is fast response and i use either a SF24 or a Metz unit for 21mm coverage with a 21mm f2.8 Asph lens, a neat feat because I must mount the flash off camera and use Auto Mode. The results are very good and I can't imagine going back to manual flash exposure techniques.

I even had one of the GN Nikkors at one time before Auto flash became available. -Dick

[menos I M6]

I cannot activate HSS with my M7 + SF58.

Can somebody confirm that this combo works and if there is any specific trick to get it into HSS mode?

 

- I set the M7 to 1/1000sec manually

- I have the SF58 attached to the camera and the only available modes in the menu of the flash are TTL/A/M

 

I cannot select TTL-HSS mode, as I can when attaching the flash to my Leica S2.

When selecting M mode (which is what I suspected could be used in HSS mode with the M7) the flash bolt does not show in the viewfinder and the flash will not fire at any shutter speed shorter than 1/50sec flash sync.

 

I have read elsewhere that the M7 can operate in HSS mode when using manual shutter speeds 1/250, 1/500 and 1/1000.

 

My M7 is in the SN range 285…

My SF58 is of the earlier version with v1.1 firmware

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I don't think the TO is interested in the topic any more after more than five years.

[wattsy]

I don't think the TO is interested in the topic any more after more than five years.

Maybe not but Dirk clearly is.

 

Dirk, I have to say I'm not surprised that HSS isn't working with your SF58 and M7 (I seem to recall that with the Metz MZ54 it only worked with certain firmware versions of the 3502 adaptor so it's always struck me as a bit of a finicky feature of the M7) but other posters (Steve Ash above in this thread) seem to have got it working. I think Steve is still active in the forum – maybe he'll pick up this thread and can provide an insight?

[menos I M6]

Thanks Ian, I will follow this topic and see if there is any solution to it.

 

I too suppose that it is a flash related issue - having read elsewhere that Leica/Metz took the very unfortunate position about the initially touted FW upgradability and simply dropped it with users who bought an early flash like me stranded without access to the newer features.

 

The one feature of the newer firmware to combine TTL and TTL+HSS mode into one mode could also mean that the M7 might work with the newer flash in HSS.

 

To me it was mostly a curiosity, rather a question of really starting to go about shooting a Noctilux in daylight with fill flash.

I never used film M bodies with flash (but I found the TTL seemingly working nicely with the M7 and will give this a few rolls of tryout).

 

Thanks for the help, learned about something I didn't know.

[menos I M6]

To add some further info re. HSS flash with the M7, I found this on the old Leica FAQ:

 

 

 

High Speed Flash Sync

In Feb 2002, Erwin Puts noted the following:

 [With the new] Metz 54 MZ3, High Speed Synchronisation can be used. The HSS function operates only with the combination MZ and M7 and now the faster speeds from 1/250 to 1/1000 can be selected too. The MZ3 works in manual mode only (not in Auto) and as the speeds of 1/60 and 1/125 are mechanically operated when using the speed dial (manual mode), the flash cannot be activated by these speeds 

 

[…] The automatic TTL function is not supported with the 54MZ3 (only with the 1/50 or slower). At the HSS speeds the user has to set it manually and this is quite easy and fast. No the HSS is not usable with mechanical-shutter Leica's. The flash expects to receive specific electronic signals for proper functioning and the mechanical shutters do not have this signal. 

 

 

source:

http://leica.nemeng.com/002bb.shtml

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[A miller]

i am getting the M7 and Metz MZ 54-3 to work in HSS but it is not reliably firing every time.  Every few shots it refuses to fire.  I have switched the flash and have the same problem.  Thinking the issue may be with the hot shoe adapter or the camera.  Anyone ever have this experience or can offer a guess as to what the problem is?