wilfredo Posted July 26, 2014 Share #1 Posted July 26, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) My wife and I attended a well organized protest march this evening calling for an end to the occupation of Palestine. The marchers covered an area of two blocks. The march started at Times Square, and ended at the Israeli Consulate. Here are some photos. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/231115-keep-calm-and-free-palestine/?do=findComment&comment=2637389'>More sharing options...
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wilfredo Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share #2 Posted July 26, 2014 Two More. My prayers are with the people of Palestine and Israel, especially those who devote their lives to peace work, and the governments just won't give them a chance! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/231115-keep-calm-and-free-palestine/?do=findComment&comment=2637392'>More sharing options...
M'acieL Posted July 26, 2014 Share #3 Posted July 26, 2014 good reprtage in wonderful b/w 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 26, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Thanks Lami! I may post more later. The death toll in Gaza this morning is up to 844. Edited July 26, 2014 by wilfredo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmyjoe Posted July 26, 2014 Share #5 Posted July 26, 2014 Beautiful and important work Wilfredo. Thanks for sharing it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton C Posted July 27, 2014 Share #6 Posted July 27, 2014 One wonders how peace will ever come to these two enemies who seem so eager to fight eachother. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Brent: I've been following this issue for at least a decade now and have traveled to Israel and Palestine twice. I've become convinced that the problem is not with the people (..snip..) I've met plenty of of people their on both sides ready to talk peace and make compromises. The second most significant problem is indifference on our part in the West, built on a foundation of ignorance. Blaming the victims (both Israeli and Palestinian) has been our way of assuming any responsibility, but we are culprits in this fiasco of violence. Edited July 27, 2014 by pop No political discussions, please 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 27, 2014 Share #8 Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Having had a chance to sleep on this, I have reopened this thread. There is no reason why reportage photography should not be allowed, here of course. However, we will not allow divisive political discussion to ensue. I hope that this is a reasonable compromise Edited July 28, 2014 by andybarton 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 28, 2014 Share #9 Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) I completely agree with your sentiment Andy, but what about the political comments above that are not related to discussing the photos and are biased towards one side ? Will they be removed ? Best Rgds Edited July 28, 2014 by colonel 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2014 Share #10 Posted July 28, 2014 I cannot find one remark in this thread that is biased to one side. The ones that were have been deleted by various moderators. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 28, 2014 Share #11 Posted July 28, 2014 I cannot find one remark in this thread that is biased to one side. The ones that were have been deleted by various moderators. Respectfully disagree ... Could we say that only comments related to the actual photographs are allowed then in the photo forum ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2014 Share #12 Posted July 28, 2014 Thank you for your understanding. However only remarks unbiased to either side can be accepted, especially those that regret the violence like these do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenton C Posted July 28, 2014 Share #13 Posted July 28, 2014 One of the messages of the photo series is a call for peace. My comment about eagerness to fight was a response to that message reflecting also my pessimistic reaction stirred by the photos. On one hand, I think it is fair many times to include one's reactions to photos as legitimate for commentary. On politically volatile topics, maybe I should have kept the comment more concretely tied to the photos. I regret that my comment seems to have served as a catalyst for stronger opinions that triggered the need for moderation. I hope my response here again doesnt have that effect. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted July 29, 2014 Share #14 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) I wish and vote for no political threads/discussions. In my long experience as an Admin, I regret allowing political discussions as it often and usually went downhill and required constant work. I even have a problem with this thread name to be honest. Regardless I love this forum and never had a problem here. Actually I take that back. I remember in the Film vs Digital threads, it often was rather ridiculous how heated and personal some would get. Now think of the very complex situation in Israel and imagine where that would go. Moderating these kind of threads is un-winnable and I say that from many years of trying. Anyway, those are my thoughts and I respect whatever the Moderators and Admins do decide but felt I should share my experience as it has been years of work and political threads ruined the experience for me. Edited July 29, 2014 by Avatar Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Posted July 29, 2014 Share #15 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Having had a chance to sleep on this, I have reopened this thread. There is no reason why reportage photography should not be allowed, here of course. However, we will not allow divisive political discussion to ensue. I hope that this is a reasonable compromise Andy, with great respect for you and all the Moderators here I must ask how is it possible to not allow divisive political discussion when I don't agree with Willfredo's post right above yours. I can't think of any way I could voice disagreement that could guarantee it won't escalate or be divisive. Perhaps over a beer it could happen but not in an open International Forum were we are all very upset about the situation in Israel and have vastly different opinions as to the causes and responses from both sides. I don't wish to escalate this here . Sorry guys, but I felt it appropriate and hope you do as well. If you decide to delete the post, I won't take it personally. Thank you. Edited July 29, 2014 by Avatar 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 29, 2014 Share #16 Posted July 29, 2014 Let's limit the rest of this thread to comments on the images and how well they depict the event, shall we? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted July 29, 2014 Share #17 Posted July 29, 2014 I think they are a really nice set. Good bw processing, nice range of tones and contrast, and good reportage 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 29, 2014 Share #18 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Andy, with great respect for you and all the Moderators here I must ask how is it possible to not allow divisive political discussion when I don't agree with Willfredo's post right above yours. I can't think of any way I could voice disagreement that could guarantee it won't escalate or be divisive. Perhaps over a beer it could happen but not in an open International Forum were we are all very upset about the situation in Israel and have vastly different opinions as to the causes and responses from both sides. I don't wish to escalate this here . Sorry guys, but I felt it appropriate and hope you do as well. If you decide to delete the post, I won't take it personally. Thank you. Avatar, I respect your POV and you report to mods. Based only on what you have written, I gather you are a supporter of Israel, fine. I take what you say about the title of this thread as being biased. It could be read that way, but, IMO, it takes title from the first photo, verbatim and thereby explains what to expect pictorialy. As such it is pure reportage, I suggest. I am assuming the entire parade was purely pro Palestine and so could only be reported that way, which is what Wilfredo has done. Frankly, I cannot deduce from his pictures or brief commentary if he is partial to one side or the other. I suspect his is a humanitarian POV sympathetic to both peoples, as distinct from either government. Personally, if you wanted to post a series of pics that show an Israeli position, I would have no problem, providing it is reportage and not political comment, same as for Wilfredo's post. Edited July 29, 2014 by erl 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 29, 2014 Share #19 Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) I agree I fully take Avatars position and also feel that, as I believe he does, that these photos are fine to post and discuss. I welcome all reportage photography from all sides in every conflict. However it's making subjective comments about the conflict that I object to which I believe there are some in this thread. Of course if you allow one side you should also allow the other side but I think in very emotive topics like this it would quickly descend into chaos. I remember a thread in dpreview that was about an article on photography in some newspaper. One of the threadees commented that they didn't like the newspaper and the thread just exploded on both side of who disliked or liked the newspaper until the thread limit was reached . Edited July 29, 2014 by colonel 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted July 29, 2014 Share #20 Posted July 29, 2014 I think the photos should, and here do, speak for themselves. No need for additional controversial remarks. It only poisons the well of tranquility and peace that we have in this forum, which is to have mutual respect for each other's work without any knowledge of each other's background or political views. This is the ultimate in "peace." Instigating remarks like those that have been removed by our moderators (and arguably even some of those that have not been removed) disturbs our peace. If we cant have peace in the world, we should at least try to have it here. To do otherwise is hypocritical. Truth is that i love the photos from a technical perspective. The tones and bokeh are fantastic, and characteristic of the lens used and the skills of the photographer. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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