mid-age woman - part 2 (nude content)

[vic vic]

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[bindrar]

Most of us see this at home already - next time put show younger looking people

[fotografr]

Sorry, but these don't do a thing for me. Maybe I'm missing the point, but all I see are three contrived, poorly composed images of someone who was persuaded to take her clothes off. I find no art in this.

[vic vic]

ha ha ravi :-)))))) rememeber, im not merried yet man, so i have different view about it :-))))))

brent.. of course no sorreis needed... i will wait a bit with the reply :-)))

[kodaktrix]

Victor,
I would say that You can do much better, if I recall former shots You posted. I am NOT talking about middle age women as modells (I myself always prefer them to younger ones) or reportage style nude photography (What I do and like myself). I just mean that You are able to present her in a for her more pleasing way, like the B&W shots You did, playing with shadow, light and depth of field. To my mind colour does not please an aging skin.

Best regards

Oliver

[imiges]

Vic,
You sure have an art in persuading women to take there clothes off.
Still, I like the sense of comfort the women have in your nudes.
And I think that is an art.
Amado

[andybarton]

I'm with Brent on this one, these do nothing for me either.

I have to say Nr 3 is approaching beyond any artistic merit it may or may not have and into something completely different (and, IMHO, completely unacceptable on a board such as this).

[vic vic]

hi all - thanks for your imput.... :-)))

first of all, i have to admit that i myself not completly sure about this work... there are many more photos some eassier some really tougher from those shotings, but i think i have to live with them for awhile and see what i feel towards them.... so your imput and observation is welcomed...

about art or not art... well... in my opinion, art is not always concerned about being beautiful or making subjects beautiful. those photos are nude not only because the naked body, they are nude manily because of extreme directness....
besides, i never think about my works (especially new ones) as art or not art.... i simply dont like categorizing at early stage when the work done... but true, the viewer has different standing point... i also hae eassier life to categorize other people's works.

about colour... ya - i have choosed to make this session with colour... while in previous shots of this woman with b/w ("ellin forest" thread - where she cries and smiles etc) , i was examining some mental processes of sexual mid-age woman self-perception and confidance of mid-age woman, in these shots i wanted to get very direct with the physical element of "aging" and comfort of the body and sexuality. wether those photos (and others from this roll) are good at that - i dont know.. i will see it in a couple of weeks who i feel with it and how the woman feels with it.

brent, ravi, oliver andy, amado.. maybe we shal ask why we have problems with looking at those photos.... it is really intresting and maybe it can help me and u to understand where exactly i have gone with this non-ceremonized, and super strieght shots...

oliver, of course i understand what u say.. and of course i could put some b/w film into the camera and make about the same shots but they would get additional mask from directness and realizm of the colour.. it is an eassy game indeed... but then.. what exactly im gonna PLEASE??? im seriously asking this question, not rehetorically.... the woman's ego??? myself and my "stuning b/w" photography style???

andy, if any problem with n3 u can move it - i cannot do it myself now... no provokative intentions here like with previous time.... but i seriously dont think there is anything offenssive in those photos... i really dont understand it when all the internet is full of discusting pornography that is click away from children without any restrictions. and where in usa, the industry of pornography aqueres alomst scientific way of making porno stuff...

[kodaktrix]

"oliver, of course i understand what u say.. and of course i could put some b/w film into the camera and make about the same shots but they would get additional mask from directness and realizm of the colour.. it is an eassy game indeed... but then.. what exactly im gonna PLEASE??? im seriously asking this question, not rehetorically.... the woman's ego??? myself and my "stuning b/w" photography style???"


I had the woman´s ego in mind when I did my comment. What I did not know was that You both understood that series as a documentation project about a aging woman showing the "real life".

Best regards

Oliver

[brunom]

Andy - What's wrong with No 3 ? The showing of crime photos or the results of war or natural disasters seem to be universally acepted but as soon as a naked human is shown in a natural[ as in nature] and human pose the moralising starts.

We all have our own opinions and I for one do not like anything where the subject is shown to be being coerced into doing something they obviously don't want to be doing, but this is surely not the case here, nevertheless I do respect your right to have a different opinion.

Bruno

[martin]

here smile in photo 1 is very, very good
it's not only a perfect shot,
it's also a perfect moment

It seems she's happy

well done

[mgcd]

Vic,

I see a series of snapshots that really don't flatter the model or the photographer. I have seen much better images from you. Don't worry, we all produce forgettable images at times.

Andy - I'm really not sure what you see that's offensive in number 3 except for the poor use of light??? Then again, I'm Canadian, and much more liberal than many Brits I know...

Cheers,

[erl]

It's been a while since I visited the Photo forum and this is my (nearly) first viewing in whatever time.

My impressions of the three presented images are:

#1 Seems out of focus (not reason to disqualify), cropped hand and somehow lacking eye use by subject.

#2 Very ugly portrayal of models back. I would not show her this one!

#3 Ugly light and shadows. Ugly thumb.

Maybe I am missing the point but I would not have posted these. Based on other commenters remarks you are capable of better.

My simple assement, offered quite unemotionally.

Cheers,
Erl

[andybarton]

Originally Posted by mgcd

Andy - I'm really not sure what you see that's offensive in number 3 except for the poor use of light??? Then again, I'm Canadian, and much more liberal than many Brits I know...

It's OK, I'm no prude. I like looking at pictures of naked ladies as much as the next man

However, IMHO,Picture 3 is getting pretty close to the kind of shots that would not grace a forum such as this. By pretty close, I mean the ends of the fingers and the suggestion as to where they are going. What next for shot Nr 4? The briefs come off too?

Maybe I am reading this picture wrongly, but that's the impression I have got.

Bruno - I am not moralising about anything. I am just saying that this is not the place for shots of a certain type, IMHO. There are plenty of places "out there" that would gladly take them, I am sure.

Vic has done much better than this set, as others have already said.

[stnami]

VIc numbers one and two have backgrounds that bear no relation to the concept put forth, they detract bfrom the subject. No3 could be in B&W or reduced hues not so much as to mask or conceal but to give the viewer his/her own chance to explore within the image. Sometimes we do not want to be directed by the image maker

[rick_dykstra]

[quote=andybarton]It's OK, I'm no prude. I like looking at pictures of naked ladies as much as the next man

Ha! Reminds of a situation we had at work. Two guys were found to have been using work computers to look at naked ladies. A lot. Management went after them. The first guy (an old soldier and rather stiff) fought it all the way and was moved on. The second guy (an old sailor and a larrakin) said, "I'm a sailor. I like looking at pictures of naked women. You got a problem with that?" Management said, "Well, no, not really. But don't do it so often! :-( "

:-)

[vic vic]

hi all again.. and thanks for your input.....

oliver... ya man... models and people in my personal works always are aware at some point about what i do and what i deal with in the project where they are photographed... they are mostly intelegent people (youngs or mid aged or old) and most of them, usually, have a tight attachment with the issues i deal in their own photographs. so ya, the model here is a friend of mine who is a painter herself and the issues of "aging" as a woman are very much in her head naturally.

conrad, andy... no worries of course :-))) i have more than enough self confidance as a photographer and as a personality to make "bad" pictures too :-))))

memebers here mention wether they miss the point or not.... i dont know... as i said, i myself not sure about this shot session... but then.. if point is missed then it is possible that the point is missed by me too :-))))

anyway.. here is almost full series with those shots (and previous b/w)... there are some shots that the model is not sure about them as yet... she has no problem if they go to gallery walls but she asked not to put it on my publically open website.

http://web.mac.com/victorbt/iWeb/photoblog/ellina.html

imants... u know im real snob with b/w... b/w only when it is made on b/w film. to put the b/w film into the scanner is the maximum limit i can accapt :-))))))))
sorry man - i know u have different view about those things and i fully respect u and your view about this issue..... but im real snob, or may be just have some old fashioned "Georgian Dignity" still in my character which comes to photography this way too :-)))))))

[stnami]

That's ok Vic , just make sure you don't get those pure (traditional)white T-Shirts soiled. Black paint is ok but beware of children wielding coloured crayons. Still the green in the background looks daggy

[palmskov]

Out of context I only see #1 as interesting despite the cropped hand. However after watching the entire serie from the link you provided, I like the photos better. Not my kind of girl but many of the photos are very expressive. I prefer the BW and the ones on the rails...

[vic vic]

ha ha imants... :-)))))) having fun of me?! :-)))))
oh, no worreis about the white t-shirt but i have "soiled" white armani pants with bromophen paper developer many times :-))))))))

what about the green - where to take it??? less yellow on green??? less red or magenta??? or just less green or ceyan or maybe blue????

thansk nikolajj - ya - the full photos on the link give better idea... again - i just began this stuff, so ....
about my kind of girl or not... well - it is not about my taste or not my taste with girls :-)))