Doc Henry Posted October 12, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) .... another flower , I love for color Lao Bougainvillea (macrophoto-uncropped) (SE Asia medical humanitarian mission March 2014) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 Macro-Elmar 90mm Kodak Portra 400 Comment welcome Best Henry 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 Macro-Elmar 90mm Kodak Portra 400 Comment welcome Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235348-bougainvillea/?do=findComment&comment=2687500'>More sharing options...
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Doc Henry Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share #2 Posted October 12, 2014 I found this big bunch of bougainvillea, walking on rocky slopes, to go to the villages of our mission ! the most similar one with the flower color natural, this is the film Sorry to disappoint the fans of digital (I compared with color photos of my M8 and M9) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 90 ME Kodak Portra 400 uncropped Best Henry 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 90 ME Kodak Portra 400 uncropped Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235348-bougainvillea/?do=findComment&comment=2687503'>More sharing options...
pauledell Posted October 12, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 12, 2014 Henry, Your colors of these flowers is brilliant. Paul 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted October 12, 2014 Henry, Your colors of these flowers is brilliant. Paul "Yes" it's brilliant. thanks Portra Paul thank you for your nice comment Regards Henry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 12, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 12, 2014 Nostalgia!!.....having spent a very long six years living in various parts of SE Asia I am a great fan of bougainvillea, the second shot is my favourite colour of all. But...do you really believe that a digital camera, say an M9, could not capture those colours as realistically as film has? I don't wish to start a debate as I know your commitment to film is absolute, however I think (for instance) that the colours reproduced in my M9 shot of apple blossom currently posted in this section are equally "natural". 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Nostalgia!!.....having spent a very long six years living in various parts of SE Asia I am a great fan of bougainvillea, the second shot is my favourite colour of all. But...do you really believe that a digital camera, say an M9, could not capture those colours as realistically as film has? I don't wish to start a debate as I know your commitment to film is absolute, however I think (for instance) that the colours reproduced in my M9 shot of apple blossom currently posted in this section are equally "natural". Dee, it is a useful and interesting debate I think, I also have 2 digital cameras and after 5 years of use, I ask myself about the fidelity of the image in general !. This is not a new "war" In my case, I return to the analog. but I always keep my 2 digital M for comparison and as back up camera . Some Leica engineers have understood , since it releases the new M-A that I ordered, instead of a M240 As I said above, yes I compared the images of these bougainvillea with the M9 and M8 the same (i'll post for you a picture) , this is the film that best reproduces the color, this bright color but so special of this flower Dee please look at the post 1273 of this thread http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread-64.html Thanks for your comment Dee Regards Henry Edited October 13, 2014 by Doc Henry 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted October 13, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 13, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Beautiful! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted October 13, 2014 Beautiful! Stuart , thank you for your nice comment Best Henry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 13, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 13, 2014 Henry, thank you for that link, very interesting! It is a rather vexed question I think, which probably can never be answered to suit all parties involved. Everyone has their own personal opinions and, of course, everyone "sees" or perceives colour differently. When I ran a professional photo processing lab, years ago in Sydney, we processed and printed C41 film all day every day. This included a lot of film for wedding photographers who were charging some very picky brides a great deal of money for their wedding album.. We strove for fidelity but sometimes there had to be compromise. Nothing can be absolute in the world of C41 printing..... the criteria for that sort of colour work was firstly that the skin tones be as close to natural as possible and secondly that the bride's dress appeared to be white....even in the shadows. Of course the dress could never actually be white.....and then there were the bridesmaid's frocks....some blues are just impossible! I could go on and on, but I won't bore you! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Henry, thank you for that link, very interesting!It is a rather vexed question I think, which probably can never be answered to suit all parties involved. Everyone has their own personal opinions and, of course, everyone "sees" or perceives colour differently. When I ran a professional photo processing lab, years ago in Sydney, we processed and printed C41 film all day every day. This included a lot of film for wedding photographers who were charging some very picky brides a great deal of money for their wedding album.. We strove for fidelity but sometimes there had to be compromise. Nothing can be absolute in the world of C41 printing..... the criteria for that sort of colour work was firstly that the skin tones be as close to natural as possible and secondly that the bride's dress appeared to be white....even in the shadows. Of course the dress could never actually be white.....and then there were the bridesmaid's frocks....some blues are just impossible! I could go on and on, but I won't bore you! Hi Dee, Very honored to know that you directed a professional photo lab. Yes it is true that the C41 development is very important, in particular the temperature (which must remain constant throughout the process, otherwise risk of false color). I usually do not have this problem when I gave my roll of film in my Leica Centre lab. Now I develop myself and it's better since (Tetenal 30°C) . Please look at post 29 and 26 : http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/345543-my-new-companion-2.html To return to the fans of all-digital, I smile by comparing people who are now returning to old vinyl record (like me) thinking that the CD was the height of the sound. With a set of amplifier and tube preamplifier I get to listen a lot softer sound, less aggressive ears and I must say that all my CDs (like my two digital cameras) are stored in the cabinet Please look at post 7 of this thread; http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m7-mp-film-m/345620-i-love-my-m7.html Thank you Dee for this very interesting debate. Best Henry Edited October 14, 2014 by Doc Henry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 14, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 14, 2014 Thank you Henry. When all is said and done, so much of life (and therefore "art") is at the mercy of today's requirement that everything be convenient. Therefore perhaps we must all learn to compromise and to pretend that we are flexible, or risk the consequences!. By the way I'm very impressed...I personally would not want to try C41 development at home! Back in the good old days we had big Agfa film processors for that job. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted October 15, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) It's an interesting debate to follow and you both clearly are very knowledgeable. I've been in a number of film vs digital debates myself. As late as the mid-1990s, I swore I'd finish my professional life in photography using film and would not make the switch to digital. How wrong I was. One thing I always come back to in this debate is that even when shooting film, in order to post the image on this forum, the film must be scanned--which involves the use of a sensor--and digitally post processed. The accuracy of the color we see here, whether originating on film or a camera sensor, would seem to lie with the calibration of the whole system right up to the final stage, the monitor. ps--lovely photos! Edited October 15, 2014 by fotografr 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted October 15, 2014 It's an interesting debate to follow and you both clearly are very knowledgeable. I've been in a number of film vs digital debates myself. As late as the mid-1990s, I swore I'd finish my professional life in photography using film and would not make the switch to digital. How wrong I was. One thing I always come back to in this debate is that even when shooting film, in order to post the image on this forum, the film must be scanned--which involves the use of a sensor--and digitally post processed. The accuracy of the color we see here, whether originating on film or a camera sensor, would seem to lie with the calibration of the whole system right up to the final stage, the monitor. ps--lovely photos! Brent,thank you for your intervention, about the color of "bougainvillea" ...and I know you are a fan of digital Personally I think the sensor showed these limits and what it can do . Do not forget that many manufacturers have initially inspired by film characteristics like the Kodak sensor. The sensor has its advantages (practical) but disadvantages as out of stock sensors M9, cracks, dust, grease, race of pixels (There Olympus CEO who said that "12 million pixels that's "enough*) and quickly obsolete sensor over time etc ... ... and also thanks for your comment Best Henry * Olympus: 12 megapixels is enough for most folks - CNET all this must make people think unless fans of all digital Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted October 15, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 15, 2014 Brent,thank you for your intervention, about the color of "bougainvillea" ...and I know you are a fan of digital Best Henry * Olympus: 12 megapixels is enough for most folks - CNET all this must make people think unless fans of all digital Only of necessity. I switched because I finally had to and have embraced it, but still love film. In my opinion, the most film-like sensor ever put in a digital camera was the one that went into the M8. I wish the M9, M(240) and M-P had continued to have that same look, but with better high ISO performance. The Kodak sensor that went into the M8 is the one I judge all others by, in terms of color--and even film-like texture. Best Regards, 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 15, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 15, 2014 Only of necessity. I switched because I finally had to and have embraced it, but still love film. Best Regards, I can relate to this completely. As with most of life it comes down to compromise.....win some lose some, as the saying goes. With the advent of digital I gave up photography for ten years, suffering terrible withdrawal symptoms! Since forcing digital compromise on myself I find that I love what my Leica digital cameras can do, particularly the MM. Besides that there's the post processing factor, now so awesomely powerful and easy to use, plus the convenience of digital printing with the beautiful array of papers currently available. Really what more could anyone ask for.....other than film grain? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted October 16, 2014 I found this big bunch of bougainvillea, walking on rocky slopes, to go to the villages of our mission ! the most similar one with the flower color natural, this is the film Sorry to disappoint the fans of digital (I compared with color photos of my M8 and M9) [ATTACH]461996[/ATTACH] M7 90 ME Kodak Portra 400 uncropped Best Henry .... just to compare M8 50 Summilux Asph I think the color of the M8 is closest to the film but .... Your opinion on the color and the thickness of the edge of the flower (petal or bract) ? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for looking and comment Best Henry Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for looking and comment Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235348-bougainvillea/?do=findComment&comment=2689939'>More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 17, 2014 Share #17 Posted October 17, 2014 I find it impossible to detect any difference on my screen (and with my eyes) it must be very subtle. Perhaps to fairly compare we would need to see them printed side by side. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted October 18, 2014 I find it impossible to detect any difference on my screen (and with my eyes) it must be very subtle.Perhaps to fairly compare we would need to see them printed side by side. I found this big bunch of bougainvillea, walking on rocky slopes, to go to the villages of our mission ! the most similar one with the flower color natural, this is the film Sorry to disappoint the fans of digital (I compared with color photos of my M8 and M9) [ATTACH]461996[/ATTACH] M7 90 ME Kodak Portra 400 uncropped Best Henry Dee you are right Excuse me , I made a mistake in posting, I put the old photo Portra above Here is with the M8 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Regards Henry .... just to compare M8 50 Summilux Asph I think the color of the M8 is closest to the film but .... Your opinion on the color and the thickness of the edge of the flower (petal or bract) ? Thanks for looking and comment Henry Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Regards Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235348-bougainvillea/?do=findComment&comment=2690949'>More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 18, 2014 Share #19 Posted October 18, 2014 Henry...that was a trick question! No wonder I was stumped. Of the two versions I much prefer the colour and (I guess it would be) the textural quality of the film shot. As far I remember this particular shade of bougainvillea (not having seen any for many years) the more saturated colour you have achieved with your beloved Porta 400 is by far the most real and close to actuality. However I often think that, viewing online, we only ever see all these posted images in what constitutes a very unreal environment. So many of the images posted here may never be viewed anywhere other than well lit on a punchy, contrasty screen. How they would print up is a whole other story. Not that I'm suggesting that you don't print your images! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share #20 Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Henry...that was a trick question! No wonder I was stumped.Of the two versions I much prefer the colour and (I guess it would be) the textural quality of the film shot. As far I remember this particular shade of bougainvillea (not having seen any for many years) the more saturated colour you have achieved with your beloved Porta 400 is by far the most real and close to actuality. However I often think that, viewing online, we only ever see all these posted images in what constitutes a very unreal environment. So many of the images posted here may never be viewed anywhere other than well lit on a punchy, contrasty screen. How they would print up is a whole other story. Not that I'm suggesting that you don't print your images! Thanks Dee for your reply As I said above, I also took this flower with my M9 (at the same place) . M9 gives a satured color and as I said above M8 is the closest of film (picture uncorrected). Look at the color of the London bus It confirms what i saw in post 1273 about color of M8 and M9 versus Kodak Portra film http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread-64.html Best regards Henry I forgot to say you, that I did develop this flower photos on "Kodak Gold silver paper" by my photographer (M8, M9 and M7). It's the same remark Edited October 18, 2014 by Doc Henry 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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