Pinocchio Wood Posted September 11, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 11, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Panasonic are to produce an M adapter. So should I buy that body and use my M glass. Which would produce better images? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FastFashnReloaded Posted September 11, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 11, 2009 Panasonic are to produce an M adapter. So should I buy that body and use my M glass. Which would produce better images? I'm sure the GF1 and M glass would take great pix - just remember that your 50mm becomes a 100mm (etc). X2 multiplication due to sensor size... There is already an M adapter out for Micro Four Thirds, and I think there has been for a while, just as there has been an M adapter for Four Thirds. Question is, is there an M adapter for the Sony/Minolta DSLR mount? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted September 11, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 11, 2009 Panasonic are to produce an M adapter. So should I buy that body and use my M glass. Which would produce better images? Which would produce "better" images... Sigh. Whichever tool you feel most comfortable with, I suspect. Can you take pix that are any good with what you have now? If not, a new camera won't help you much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljclark Posted September 11, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 11, 2009 Panasonic are to produce an M adapter. So should I buy that body and use my M glass. Which would produce better images? 1. To get the same field of view on the Panasonic that the X-1 has, you'll need to use an 18mm M-mount lens. Take your pick -- the 18mm Zeiss f/4 or the Leica 18mm f/3.8. Do the math. You can buy the 18mm Leica lens for only $2,900 US and the Zeiss for only $1,100 US. 2. First reports from people who used M-mount lenses on the G-1 showed poor results from lenses shorter than 35mm. The expectations were that the results would be great -- the reality proved different. People keep looking for this magic bullet solution that gives them a cheap camera upon which to use good lenses. If you have M-mount lenses, your best bet is to look for a used M8, M8.2, or M8u. You'll take a little hit with the 1.33 "crop" factor. The M8 bodies are still perfectly good -- if you can't make decent pictures with one, you should probably stay with permanently mounted P&S cameras that cost less than $1,000. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchs Posted September 11, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 11, 2009 Question is, is there an M adapter for the Sony/Minolta DSLR mount? Nope. But there are solutions to have your Leica R lenses converted to Sony/Minolta mount (google Leitax adapter). This is a reversible solution, and more solid IMO than an intermediate ring/adapter. I have been using a converted Summicron-R 50/2 with a Minolta 9xi, and it is perfectly working. Leica R lenses on the recently announced full frame 24something MP Sony Alpha 850 at a hair under US$2000 sounds like a really appealing move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchs Posted September 11, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 11, 2009 Panasonic are to produce an M adapter. So should I buy that body and use my M glass. Which would produce better images? I have a third party M-adapter for my Panasonic G1, and results vary largely with the Leica lens used. IQ with the wider angle lenses is not as good as expected. There's corner softness and light fall off with the 28/2,and with the 21/2.8. In any case, the kit lens seems to outperform these M lenses, thanks to in-camera processing that improves corner quality, corrects for chromatic aberrations and compensates vognetting. There's no subtitute though for the larger aperture Leica lenses. A 35/1.4, 50/1.4 or a 90/2 offer far shallower DOF and more pleasant bokeh than any other micro4/3 available lens, retaining the excellent resolution they are famous for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostatic Posted September 14, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 14, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) The more interesting questions are how good will the 20/1.7 Panny and 45/2.8 Leica u4/3 macro lenses be? As was said above, trying to go wide with adapted lenses usually isn't pretty on u4/3. I had a CV 40/1.4 on E-P1 and that was fine, but I don't think you can get good performance much wider than that...and remember that is 80mm equivalent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pthurst Posted November 8, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 8, 2009 I plumped for a GF1 with the adapter and viewfinder and am very happy with my choice. The cost of the GF1 with adapter and Electronic viewfinder is in the same price bracket as the X1 although it is obviously much more versatile. I have noticed that the performance on the wider M lenses does indeed suffer (CV 12mm Ultra Wide for example) but it is still producing really nice images which only improve once you get past 35mm. The GF1 also has a really nice workflow for me too. I very quickly settled on MF with the electronic viewfinder and now able to press the MF zoom button, focus then depress the shutter release and finally fire the shutter release again to capture my final image. I am stunned by the final quality, especially when you pop some Leica glass on there as well. In closing. The GF1 is a stunning camera. Certainly the best of the compact four thirds breed at the moment but therein lies the difference. The X1 sensor is much larger. The X1 is a completely different format of camera that just happens to share some of the same external appearances. Once I handle the X1 and once I've read some proper reviews, I dare say I will be buying the X1 as well. That will basically mean I will be able to use my M lenses and the new X1 on two cameras that still come in well below the M9 and as such, I don't see these cameras as competition, rather for me as companions. Paul For my flickr slideshow of images regarding and taken on the GF1, click here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted November 8, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 8, 2009 Paul, Frankly, I didn't see anything on the X1 preview photos that came close to what you show on your site. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted November 8, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 8, 2009 I have a third party M-adapter for my Panasonic G1, and results vary largely with the Leica lens used. IQ with the wider angle lenses is not as good as expected. There's corner softness and light fall off with the 28/2,and with the 21/2.8. In any case, the kit lens seems to outperform these M lenses, thanks to in-camera processing that improves corner quality, corrects for chromatic aberrations and compensates vognetting.There's no subtitute though for the larger aperture Leica lenses. A 35/1.4, 50/1.4 or a 90/2 offer far shallower DOF and more pleasant bokeh than any other micro4/3 available lens, retaining the excellent resolution they are famous for. Could you tell us please which third party adaptor you have? I have just bought a G1, and the Panasonic adaptor is very expensive in the UK, about 4 x the price of some of the others. Thanks, Gerry Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pthurst Posted November 9, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 9, 2009 Could you tell us please which third party adaptor you have? I have just bought a G1, and the Panasonic adaptor is very expensive in the UK, about 4 x the price of some of the others. Thanks, Gerry I have the 'official' Panasonic one. Yes its incredibly dear but I'm very wary of the quality of some of the third party ones that are available. I also like the fact that I can either detach the adaptor and lens from the camera body or by using the 'opposite' notch, I can just detach the lens, leaving the adaptor in place for the next M-mount lens to be fitted with minimum fuss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted November 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 10, 2009 A quick shot using the Novoflex adapter and Leica/Minolta Rokkor 40mm f2 on the GF1. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/96285-leica-x1-or-panasonic-gf1-m-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1111099'>More sharing options...
pthurst Posted November 11, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 11, 2009 A lovely shot John. The more I see from the GF1, the more impressed I am. I'm looking forward to getting some hands-on time with the X1 as well but I think the GF1 may have spoiled me! P Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted November 11, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 11, 2009 Thank you P. That Leica lens really gives it a nice creamy bokeh and makes the image almost 3D. It was just a quick snap, manually focused with the EVF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkM6 Posted November 12, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 12, 2009 I am wondering how the latest Summarit performs on the Micro 4/3, especially the SUMMARIT-M 35mm f/2.5. If anyone have tried this combination please share the thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samir Jahjah Posted November 14, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 14, 2009 Panasonic are to produce an M adapter. So should I buy that body and use my M glass. Which would produce better images? While waiting for M9 to be available, I have been using my M glasses with the Pana G1. Corners are indeed soft, but you get the nice Leica 3D signature! Here are a few examples with the Leica 18 mm SE and 24mm 2.8. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/96285-leica-x1-or-panasonic-gf1-m-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1116283'>More sharing options...
Samir Jahjah Posted November 14, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 14, 2009 And here one with the 35mm Summicron. Full image, crop center of the image, and the soft corner. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/96285-leica-x1-or-panasonic-gf1-m-glass/?do=findComment&comment=1116286'>More sharing options...
StS Posted November 14, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 14, 2009 Thank you for sharing these images. Wasn't there a 25mm Summilux for Four Thirds? Couldn't this be adapted to the GF1 as well? However, looking at the images of the 1,4/25, this combination should be almost as large as the M8 with the 50mm Summilux... Stefan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted November 14, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 14, 2009 The black and white photo looks great... the color photos have a strange look to them that I don't like. It isn't the lens... it must be the sensor that I don't like. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptu Posted November 27, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 27, 2009 Has anyone experience on GF1 and Voigtländer lenses between 21 and 35mm?! I have hard time deciding between X1 and GF1.. Cheers mates! pTu Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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