colonel Posted September 18, 2014 Share #1 Posted September 18, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) One version of the world uses a body and multiple lenses Is there another version of the world that can use multiple fixed lens bodies ? Sigma's DP1, DP2 and DP3 Merrill attempted to do this Have we now Leica's equivalent with the X-Vario and X113 ? One gives you the light, the other the range, both can use many of the same accessories as the body is the same What are the advantages ? Well today the X113 and XV are together a similar price to the T and two lenses if one looks for bargains for the XV even new. 1. You have two cameras, so if your partner was with you then both cameras could be used simultaneously 2. No dust on the sensor to clean 3. Ready to go, one or the other, no fiddling 4. A spare battery always handy ? 5. A backup body in case of fault ? Disadvantages ? 6. Heavier 7. Can not upgrade the body or the lens separately Well its a conundrum that is quite appealing in the APS-C world Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Hi colonel, Take a look here It begs the question, multiple fixed lens bodies ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dkCambridgeshire Posted September 18, 2014 Share #2 Posted September 18, 2014 And there's also the D-Lux 109 with slightly cropped M4/3 sensor and f1.7 lens. We are well and truly spoilt for choice and there could be very many secondhand Leica compact cameras listed when Leica enthusiasts upgrade. dunk 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bachmanns Posted September 19, 2014 Share #3 Posted September 19, 2014 2. No dust on the sensor to clean Unfortunately my XV showed a big piece of dust on the sensor and needed a cleaning, done by Leica CC. Of course still under warranty (regular price, they told me, would be somewhere in the range between 120 and 180 Euro). The disadvantage of such a closed system... You can´t clean the sensor yourself, a service is needed and that takes time (had to wait for 2 weeks to get my XV back) and money. The only DIY solution for this problem would be to fix it via PP (Lightroom). Best regards, René 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted September 19, 2014 Share #4 Posted September 19, 2014 Unfortunately my XV showed a big piece of dust on the sensor and needed a cleaning, done by Leica CC. Of course still under warranty (regular price, they told me, would be somewhere in the range between 120 and 180 Euro). The disadvantage of such a closed system... You can´t clean the sensor yourself, a service is needed and that takes time (had to wait for 2 weeks to get my XV back) and money. The only DIY solution for this problem would be to fix it via PP (Lightroom). Best regards, René Fortunately Leica Mayfair offer Leica compact camera owners, complimentary same day sensor cleans even when out of warranty - takes c. 90 minutes or less. dunk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted September 19, 2014 Unfortunately my XV showed a big piece of dust on the sensor and needed a cleaning, done by Leica CC. Of course still under warranty (regular price, they told me, would be somewhere in the range between 120 and 180 Euro). The disadvantage of such a closed system... You can´t clean the sensor yourself, a service is needed and that takes time (had to wait for 2 weeks to get my XV back) and money. The only DIY solution for this problem would be to fix it via PP (Lightroom). Best regards, René That is quite disturbing. I do hear of this occasionally but very rarely where fixed lens cameras get dust inside. It's more of an issue with zooms due to the zoom mechanism sucking in dust but can also occur when there was a piece of dust in the camera when it left the factory or lastly a fixed lens where it needs to extend when switched on. Thankfully these incidents seems to be very rare and dealt with fast (by Leica standards) by the manufacturer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted September 20, 2014 Share #6 Posted September 20, 2014 Mine had what looked very like a couple of eyelashes that suddenly appeared one day ...... camera was away for about 10 days ....... ..... unfortunately I had just re-covered it with some expensive lizard skin from Arte do Mano that came back in a plastic bag..... and the cruddy black synthetic stuff in it's place .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 22, 2014 Share #7 Posted September 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dust on the sensor is a real issue for fixed lens cameras -- especially if you live in a windy climate like here and venture outdoors a lot. Leica Mayfair may clean it in 90 minutes but for other places it requires sending back to Leica. In this country that would mean waiting several months. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 22, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted September 22, 2014 Really, is that personal experience ? 100000s of fixed lens models are sold every year and I see this reported very very rarely. I always think it's an issue of manufacturing not usage I wonder if there are any stats on this .... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 22, 2014 Share #9 Posted September 22, 2014 Still, the movement of the front bit of the lens does pump air in and out of the body. It is not a strange thing if some dust enters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted September 22, 2014 Share #10 Posted September 22, 2014 Sensor dust does affect fixed lens compacts but many users especially the less fussy P&S auto everything photographers fail to notice because they produce relatively fewer images with light backgrounds when the dust issue is most apparent. I have a DL 5 which needs a sensor clean for the second time - it was last cleaned by Solms in March 2013 - but the dust spots in the lower half of the image band only show up when used e.g. for still life images with a white background or when a bright sky takes up much of the image area. Also bear in mind that many photographers with interchangeable lens cameras never clean their cameras' sensors and never see the dust evidence in their images - it's not on their radar - and neither are their sloping horizons. dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted September 22, 2014 Share #11 Posted September 22, 2014 I had dust on sensor in my x1 which was still in warranty time and fixed in Solms with no cost for me. It took 4 weeks. The extending lens was the cause. I remember once I was taking photos at a carnival parade and saw, luckily a "confetti) on the barrel which was entering when it was retracting: I managed to stop it with my finger but if I had not seen it ...wow what a carnival surprise:D This is one of the reason which makes the 113 interesting for me even at a price of an increased size...I guess the Leica optical VF I have can be used on the 113 as well, not sure about I'll check. Now if the optical engineers in Solme would study an add on for that lens to give a final equivalent of 75/90 mm for full face portraits would be a complete camera for my use. As it is I oft think to buy a mirrorless (like the xt1 with its 56mm 1.2 lens or with one of my M 50mm) for that kind of portraits... robert PS:hmmm, thinking that M-P seems to be so nice... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Markey Posted September 22, 2014 Share #12 Posted September 22, 2014 One version of the world uses a body and multiple lenses Is there another version of the world that can use multiple fixed lens bodies ? Sigma's DP1, DP2 and DP3 Merrill attempted to do this That`s currently my digital solution. A DP3M and a DP2M. I often use them in dusty environments around stables / horses and out in the field. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted September 26, 2014 Share #13 Posted September 26, 2014 Perhaps one day we will see a digital M-P with a fixed 35 Summilux ASPH? JMHO but I can't see how such a camera would not sell like proverbial hotcakes... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted September 26, 2014 Share #14 Posted September 26, 2014 Perhaps one day we will see a digital M-P with a fixed 35 Summilux ASPH? JMHO but I can't see how such a camera would not sell like proverbial hotcakes... That is one reason why the X Type 113 has been introduced … 35/1.7 equivalent lens dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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